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ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
The statement “I didn’t leave the left, the left left me” applies to more people than you think.
New libertarians are being minted every day as the fringes alienate.
EVNow
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The left was a lot more "left" during FDR era.
ZenRockGarden
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Yeah, I kinda boggle at this narrative that the US democratic party has careened into extreme left. The dems would be center-right in most european governments.
I often want to ask those making the claim: What specific "far left" policies are you so horrified by? Affordable healthcare? Basic reproductive rights? Clean water? Renewable energy?
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
First one was BTFO’d by Barry. (Our h/c costs 4x as much as it did when OC passed)
Second one is a states issue, as it always should have been.
Nuclear power and more hydro would be great, especially paired with Tesla battery banks.
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Elections in the US are decided by a very small percentage of moderate voters in swing states. Judging by what happened in the midterms it's clear which party has been running away from the center, and the people Elon hangs out with aren't the ones standing still.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
Elections are decided in the US by people who are eligible to vote and aren't registered and people who are registered and don't vote.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
More people should participate in the process, especially in understanding what exactly they are voting for.
Party that holds the White House almost always suffers big losses. This time, that party overperformed and even gained seats in one house of Congress. When you run extremists who push the points of view that Elon keeps amplifying on Twitter, it turns out that you lose the swing voters.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
My theory is that the total US voting age population is even more philosophically left of center than the electorate. Hence, Elon may be misjudging public sentiment in the US.
Or alternatively, his tweets are purposely designed to tick off a significant fraction of Twitter's user base and drum up more site activity.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Doubtful.
If I had to put a theory on it I would say many people are of the understanding that we are in an irrational and highly volatile period of time in this country. They may think that putting their head in the sand and not standing up for their beliefs will save them from agents of chaos.
The proverbial blood of lamb on their door will not save them when the bolsheviks are directed at them by the state.
Yup, D or R, based on the key issues like guns & abortion. Look! Squirrel!
EVNow
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I was always opposed to Nixon’s healthcare plan, which Romney and Obama used. That’s why all other OECD countries have some kind of single payer.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Agree on single payer with private supplement being an option.
In slamming Medicare are you suggesting that commercial insurance is a better alternative? I hope that's not the case because Commercial Insurance is worse than Medicare on every single parametric studied. More expensive, poorer outcomes, poor patient satisfaction, poor doctor rating satisfaction, the problems with our Healthcare System are multi-dimensional but centrally include virtual abandonment of meaningful prevention particularly in at risk populations, a prevention paradigm based on statins and beta blockers instead of actual quality of life and lifestyle, and the rewarding and therefore incentivizing of extremely high-tech and expensive treatment for advanced diseases of aging, often at which little prevention was ever aimed. So skip the Medicare rant it is not the problem. It's hardly perfect but it actually gets the highest ratings of any single third party payment system. Folks with real National Health Insurance rate their Healthcare Systems significantly higher than ours and for good reason.
Are you suggesting because the United Nations is a crippled organization that the statement of Universal human rights is a joke too? Let's hope not.
Boy what a defensive answer! I'm not trying to spin it I'm trying to clarify if that's what you're saying. You're the one 'spinning' the question and turning it into something that it's not. Try to approach dialogue less combatively and you probably would find other people agreeing with you more and giving you fewer critical comments.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
You are trying to communicate with a libertarian trumper. I recommend picking up some lipstick and a pig. It will be a more productive use of your time.
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