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johnr
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There's a load of new info in that article TEG found. For example:
The Leaf will include an "ECO" mode, which could extend range about 15-20%
Nissan is working with AAA to carry special charging packs that can recharge sufficiently in minutes to get the car to the nearest charging station.
To meet California law, the Li-Ion batteries will carry a 10-year, 150k-mile warranty. The pack is rated conservatively to maintain a 100-mile range after 10 years, retaining 70-80% of its initial capacity.
The manganese oxide Li-Ion pack weighs 480 lb.
The Leaf has a drag coefficient of 0.29 Cd [this really caught my eye, as it's the first time I've seen the Leaf's Cd data released]
Nissan's plan for future EVs? A light-commercial van slightly larger than the Ford Transit Connect, and then a high-performance Infiniti four-passenger car.
The Leaf will include an "ECO" mode, which could extend range about 15-20%
Nissan is working with AAA to carry special charging packs that can recharge sufficiently in minutes to get the car to the nearest charging station.
To meet California law, the Li-Ion batteries will carry a 10-year, 150k-mile warranty. The pack is rated conservatively to maintain a 100-mile range after 10 years, retaining 70-80% of its initial capacity.
The manganese oxide Li-Ion pack weighs 480 lb.
The Leaf has a drag coefficient of 0.29 Cd [this really caught my eye, as it's the first time I've seen the Leaf's Cd data released]
Nissan's plan for future EVs? A light-commercial van slightly larger than the Ford Transit Connect, and then a high-performance Infiniti four-passenger car.
johnr
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First I've heard of that law as well. A lot of standard ICE cars do not have quite that long of a warranty.
I just read here :: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nissan-to-sell-electric-car-for-less-than-44300-2010-03-16 :: that Nissan will sell its Leaf in Japan for between Y3.5 million - Y4 million (as of today, that's about $39k - $44k. If they plan to sell it for that much in the US, they're setting themselves up for dismal failure. This is supposed to be an everyday car for the middle class priced comparably to other C-segment cars. In the $20-$30k range they would be successful, but the $40k's would be far too high for their target market.
I just read here :: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nissan-to-sell-electric-car-for-less-than-44300-2010-03-16 :: that Nissan will sell its Leaf in Japan for between Y3.5 million - Y4 million (as of today, that's about $39k - $44k. If they plan to sell it for that much in the US, they're setting themselves up for dismal failure. This is supposed to be an everyday car for the middle class priced comparably to other C-segment cars. In the $20-$30k range they would be successful, but the $40k's would be far too high for their target market.
EVNow
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Don't use Japanese prices. They have HUGE tax rebates - 50% !
Car makers will set the price at a point AFTER rebates.
For eg. if Nissan wants the car at $25K, they will set it at $32.5K now with $7.5 K rebates. If the rebate was $10K - the price would be $35K.
stopcrazypp
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It is also my experience that direct conversion doesn't work well to predict prices (applies to most countries, not only Japan).
In Japan, a top spec V6 5AT NAV Inspire (same as US Accord) cost 3.7 million yen before tax. The same car costs $31k here.
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2010 Honda Accord Sedan - Options and Pricing - the Official Honda Web Site
In Japan, a top spec 2.4L 5AT Camry costs 3.3 million yen before tax. The closest I found, 2.5L 6AT Camry XLE costs $26k here.
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So it still seems like it can still end up in a reasonable price range.
Along with batteries from the USA plant:
Gordon Announces $1.4 Billion Loan for Smyrna Nissan Plant, Creating up to 10,000 Tennessee Jobs : WGNS Radio
Gordon Announces $1.4 Billion Loan for Smyrna Nissan Plant, Creating up to 10,000 Tennessee Jobs : WGNS Radio
EVNow
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Nissan prices Leaf EV around Y3.76 mln in Japan | Reuters
Nissan announced today that Leaf will cost 3.76 Million Yen (before rebates) in Japan. That comes to about $40K. Pre-orders will be taken from Apr 1st.
They also had a dealer meeting today in the US specifically around the Leaf. I'm guessing tomorrow morning they will announce the price of Leaf in the US .... hoping for it to be less than $30K after rebates.
update : Yes, U.S. pricing on the LEAF will be announced later Tuesday.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9EOLRE00
Nissan announced today that Leaf will cost 3.76 Million Yen (before rebates) in Japan. That comes to about $40K. Pre-orders will be taken from Apr 1st.
They also had a dealer meeting today in the US specifically around the Leaf. I'm guessing tomorrow morning they will announce the price of Leaf in the US .... hoping for it to be less than $30K after rebates.
update : Yes, U.S. pricing on the LEAF will be announced later Tuesday.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9EOLRE00
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Via Chelsea:
Nissan Leaf $32,780 MSRP
roughly $25k w fed tax credit,
$20k in CA
I think this is a great price! :smile:
Wonder what the dealer markup will be? :tongue:
Nissan Leaf $32,780 MSRP
roughly $25k w fed tax credit,
$20k in CA
I think this is a great price! :smile:
Wonder what the dealer markup will be? :tongue:
I said this over at ABG:
This really is a great price and quite a challenge to competitors.
Coda basically has no chance.
Mitsubishi will have to lower the price of the i-MiEV since the Leaf appears to be more car for less money.
Tesla will really have to work hard to differentiate the Model S as up-scale, reliable, and better performing to justify its (now) high price and (by then) late entry into the market.
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I am most curious about the answer to Question 2 ... and who decides what "actively developing a charging infrastructure" means ... because without that being cleared up many of us will have to wait quite a while before "our" area is declared one of the "select markets". Shucks :frown:
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