CarlK
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They’re meant to be broken? Wtf man
Like wedding vows? No?
And did you watch ANY commercials?
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They’re meant to be broken? Wtf man
Like wedding vows? No?
And did you watch ANY commercials?
Sensor suite certainly is not retrofittable.
This isn't exactly true. This isn't like AP1 vs no AP or AP 2 vs AP 1. In this particular case, the wiring for all the sensors is already present. If the sensors needed upgrading then they can certainly do it. If you want to add an additional sensor, then that's another story.
MobilEye is moving to a 12 camera system as well but two of those cameras are in the mirrors facing down to aid in parking the other two face the front and rear on the hood and in the back window. They also are wanting radar covering all corners plus front and rear.On Reddit there have been Model Y alleged rumors of HW3.5 with increased sensor suite (more sensors).
I guess it can be argued products specifications are more like contractual obligations though when making sales. In reality how Tesla’s promises there are interpreted depends on who challenges them and where of course. P85D HP specs were for example challenged in some markets and found wanting by a court so different from merely some advertising slogans being misleading.
After all Tesla’s promises discussed here have often been made Design Studio, a direct component of making the sale, which can be seen more a contract negotiation between the buyer and the seller rather than an advertisement.
This isn't exactly true. This isn't like AP1 vs no AP or AP 2 vs AP 1. In this particular case, the wiring for all the sensors is already present. If the sensors needed upgrading then they can certainly do it. If you want to add an additional sensor, then that's another story.
The LCD screen isn't a sensor... The sensors do unplug easilyDon't think you will even be able to have that. The LCD screen is an example but I of course could be wrong.
The HP spec fiasco is much ado about nothing. There are so many ways to spec the horsepower even for single axle driven ICE cars. Again it only interests a few people like us on forums but majority of owners, including die hard car guys and especially for die hard car guys, only care how quick the car will go when you punch the pedal.
That could be convenient but you forget Tesla missed the 0-60 specs as well with P90D right after the P85D HP debacle while also repeating the P85D HP debacle also on P90D.
Anyway in Norway a court ruled Tesla misled with P85D HP and mandated some compensations so there is that.
Good thing is that Tesla cleaned up their act for P100D which is spec-wise the first solid Performance Tesla since classic P85.
I don't recall Tesla missed P90D 0-60 spec. Tesla is known to be pretty accurate, if not a bit conservative, in quoting performance numbers. Unlike most auto manufacturers their 0-60 numbers usually could only be achieved by professional drivers under optimum conditions.
The NHTSA has said that the driver is the car when in FSD (look at link in this thread). Waymo has a permit for self driving cars with no driver in the car. They are required to be able to remotely drive the car so it is only level 4 autonomy. No nags...There is probably a law somewhere that says something like "the driver must be paying sufficient attention to the task". The nag would therefore be Tesla's way of proving they are attending to the spirit of that law.
I'm talking about the legal need for nags with the current autopilot.The NHTSA has said that the driver is the car when in FSD (look at link in this thread). Waymo has a permit for self driving cars with no driver in the car. They are required to be able to remotely drive the car so it is only level 4 autonomy. No nags...
My bad. I suspect that it's more a matter of wanting to make EAP safer and not wanting the NHTSA to step in and ban EAP. They have a lot of discretion to regulate when it comes to safety.I'm talking about the legal need for nags with the current autopilot.
Someone said there was no law requiring nags, and my conjecture was that there might be a law requiring attentiveness, which nags would address.
I read that thread. No where in that thread does it state Tesla’s ADAS file size nor is it an exhaustive list of Tesla’s ADAS format, information, or description. In fact the contributors of that thread go out of their way to state, they only have limited visibility and not complete insight into Tesla’s ADAS tiles and maps.
Not exactly. Tesla actually settled the p85d debacle with the owners days before the civil court trial, so there never was a rulingAnyway in Norway a court ruled Tesla misled with P85D HP and mandated some compensations so there is that.
I read that thread. No where in that thread does it state Tesla’s ADAS file size nor is it an exhaustive list of Tesla’s ADAS format, information, or description. In fact the contributors of that thread go out of their way to state, they only have limited visibility and not complete insight into Tesla’s ADAS tiles and maps.
You are assuming it’s larger And does not include the same information as Mobileye because Tesla is not Mobileye.
It doesn't, because its NN cant detect traffic signs or traffic lights, stop line, barriers, etc... This is not guess work, this is a fact.
Please cite your source. You truly believe Tesla’s NN “can’t”? Or are you guessing it “can’t” because no one on these forums has been able to view the code? (Perhaps the NN is not active).
Again, please site your source that Tesla’s NN “can’t.”
I guess it can be argued products specifications are more like contractual obligations though when making sales. In reality how Tesla’s promises there are interpreted depends on who challenges them and where of course. P85D HP specs were for example challenged in some markets and found wanting by a court so different from merely some advertising slogans being misleading.
After all Tesla’s promises discussed here have often been made Design Studio, a direct component of making the sale, which can be seen more a contract negotiation between the buyer and the seller rather than an advertisement.
That's not what I meant. I meant HW3 equipped cars will not get free retrofit when HW4, 5 6... comes out in the future.