And what happened to the states that did not want to comply with the change that the government wanted?Yep, I remember. You instantly went from 1 dui per year to 4.
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And what happened to the states that did not want to comply with the change that the government wanted?Yep, I remember. You instantly went from 1 dui per year to 4.
This was discussed up thread, he doesn't actually say that, but something a bit different:Elon Musk Predicts Level 4 Or 5 Full Self-Driving 'Later This Year' For the Tenth Year In A Row - The Autopian
There are lots of things I don’t understand. Dutch. Crocs worn by people over 14 or if you’re not wading in water. String theory. People who get really into wine. But, perhaps most significantly, I absolutely do not understand why Elon Musk, noted billionaire, entrepreneur, Twitter messer-upper...www.theautopian.com
Elon saying that FSD will achieve either level 4 or 5 this year (last year).
That's not Elon though. Actually people here have long argued FSD Beta is L2 and Tesla's official position has long been consistent with that, but the argument from the other side is that Tesla is just lying to get around regulators (similar to how Uber said their car was a L2 car even though it was actually a L4 car under test, simply because there were safety drivers). I'm of the former BTW.Update Vehicle Firmware to Improve Certain FSD Beta Driving Operations | Tesla Support
Tesla has issued a voluntary recall on certain Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y vehicles that have installed or pending installation of software that contains the Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta feature. This recall affects only US and CA vehicles. Affected vehicles were identified based on...www.tesla.com
After the recall in 2023, Tesla called FSD Beta a SAE Level 2 driver support feature.
Tesla stating FSD is level 2 to California in 2021:
Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System: Emails
A Tesla regulatory counsel told the California DMV that it will remain a hands-on system.www.thedrive.com
Any exact quotes (especially mentioning SAE explicitly) so we can understand what was actually said?Also, during AI day, the SAE levels were mentioned by multiple people, including Elon.
Will that suffice?
V11 was categorized by Tesla corporate, not just Elon, as Level 2 just last year because it is. It meets the definition of an SAE L2 system and doesn't meet L3-5, yet.
I feel like you understand this, but are just being difficult.
That's strange. We live in the same city, drive on the same street but your car behavior is different than mine.
Compare co… I mean car modelsThat's strange. We live in the same city, drive on the same street but your car behavior is different than mine.
You said your speed offset is 20%?
I set mine to 7 mph. It should not make any difference. But who knows.
While it is Tesla FSD SAE L2 and we can pretend it is Kmart L6. AKA: Blue light special.All this discussion of SAE levels and none of SAE level deniers have said how unsupervised FSD will not conform to SAE L3-5.
The mental exercises some go through to try to convince themselves something.This was discussed up thread, he doesn't actually say that, but something a bit different:
"I think we will achieve full self driving, depending on what level you call it, four or five, I think later this year."
Of course as mention up thread a while back he never actually says he meant the SAE definition especially given how vaguely he says it (basically that whatever that is achieved might be called Level 4 or 5 by some people).
That's not Elon though. Actually people here have long argued FSD Beta is L2 and Tesla's official position has long been consistent with that, but the argument from the other side is that Tesla is just lying to get around regulators, (similar to how Uber said their car was a L2 car even though it was actually a L4 car under test, simply because there were safety drivers).
Any exact quotes (especially mentioning SAE explicitly) so we can understand what was actually said?
Interesting, I think Alan is M3MY 2023, HW3
Apologies if I didn't make myself clear enough. As I saw several answers to my point, like the above and this one: FSD v12.x (end to end AI)If you don’t pay attention while using an L2 system you are criminally liable if you crash. I prefer to stay out of jail.
The argument by the other side is that the driver monitoring is only required because it is still under development, just like how SAE L4 cars need a safety driver. Of course, as I mentioned I'm not part of that group that argues that, but some here are. Basically the argument is over what is the difference between a SAE L2 door to door system (which is what I argue FSD Beta is) versus a SAE L4 system that is still under development and has bugs (requiring a safety driver to take over when it inevitably happens).The mental exercises some go through to try to convince themselves something.
No one else in the world (outside of Tesla fanboys) would categorize FSD as anything but a Level 2 system, because by all definitions it only meets the SAE Level 2 standards. The work around to that is either, "SAE is bullshit" or creating a conspiracy to protect themselves from regulators?
It's absurd. Do you have to monitor FSDB? Yes? It's level 2...the car isn't driving without supervision, even if you don't want to mention levels. Elon has always said the end game is sleeping or watching a movie while the car drives. It cannot do that, Waymo can, Mercedes can, both have their limitations...which is the purpose of the SAE levels to describe those limitations and categorize. No car can just drive everywhere without a driver...also no car is SAE level 5.
It's not rocket science.
Articles are 100% worthless because it's a huge telephone game where the "journalists" all throw in their own interpretation or even embellish things with facts they made up. Heck, just for the past Model X accident, I saw plenty of articles claim that the touchscreen shifter was the cause, when there was zero indication that the car had that instead of stalks (in fact the original WSJ article that all the stories were based on says it was a 2020 Model X, which had stalks).I googled FSD Beta SAE levels and there were hundreds of articles, including the entire AI day where it spoke of Karpathy and Elon mention SAE levels. Not like that matters, Tesla says in plain English that FSDB is a SAE Level 2 system on Tesla.com (linked) and people want to warp that because they don't live in reality.
This was discussed up thread, he doesn't actually say that, but something a bit different:
"I think we will achieve full self driving, depending on what level you call it, four or five, I think later this year."
Of course as mention up thread a while back he never actually says he meant the SAE definition, especially given how vaguely he says it (basically that whatever that is achieved might be called Level 4 or 5 by some people).
That's not Elon though. Actually people here have long argued FSD Beta is L2 and Tesla's official position has long been consistent with that, but the argument from the other side is that Tesla is just lying to get around regulators (similar to how Uber said their car was a L2 car even though it was actually a L4 car under test, simply because there were safety drivers). I'm of the former BTW.
Any exact quotes (especially mentioning SAE explicitly) so we can understand what was actually said?
Yes, I referred to that before up thread, I just was not able to find the source and I asked and no one was able to either.During the first autonomy day, Elon responded to an analyst's question about whether he meant level 5, Elon answered "yes," although I don't think the acronym "SAE" was included in that response, but that's probably what he meant
I don't know the specific time, but it was during q&a I believe
It’s not so bad.If you don’t pay attention while using an L2 system you are criminally liable if you crash. I prefer to stay out of jail.
It's a bad argument.The argument by the other side is that the driver monitoring is only required because it is still under development, just like how SAE L4 cars need a safety driver. Of course, as I mentioned I'm not part of that group that argues that, but some here are. Basically the argument is over what is the difference SAE L2 door to door system (which is what I argue FSD Beta is) versus a SAE L4 system that is still under development and has bugs (requiring a safety driver to take over when it inevitably happens).
What about non-highway situation? I thought MLC also applies in urban roads? Does V12 respect this setting like the way V11 used to do?The highway is still using the V11 software, so it behaves the same. As I recall, something recently changed on the highway code, but I can't recall what it was.
Keep the phone as close as you can over the center console so the Tesla representative gets the non stop nags to pay attentionI obviously don't need the FSD test drive when I pick up the X, but if its offered should I still do it and record it for posterity ?