FSD discussion

[SPadival]

This is not at all anything official, just an open minded officer from Sweden informing themselves what FSD can do. Good PR on Tesla’s side, but Sweden as well as the rest of Europe depends on UNECE moving ahead and that will take years still Ian afraid.

Just before Rohan Patel quit, he posted that UNECE changes that will be implemented in November 2024 will not allow FSD V12 implementation in the EU region. Maybe Elon saw that post, went into one of his demon mode and fired Patel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775856099473695164

There is some differing opinions on whether the updated regulations allow system initiated actions without driver approval. Maybe an EU lawyer here can read the updated regulations and determine what’s what.

 

[EVNow]

There is some differing opinions on whether the updated regulations allow system initiated actions without driver approval. Maybe an EU lawyer here can read the updated regulations and determine what’s what.

Fairly sure Tesla lawyers were involved in forming this opinion - I don't think this is Rohan's personal reading.

 

[SPadival]

Fairly sure Tesla lawyers were involved in forming this opinion - I don't think this is Rohan's personal reading.

When Patel posted that, I immediately thought it was improper of him to post this in public.

There is always room for interpretation of the regulations and there should be negotiations with regulators on the correct interpretation. Patel should not have negotiated in public and showed his hand.

Anyway, water under the bridge and they seem to have taken the right approach now by giving FSD demos to regulators. Marc Van Impe is now the man to watch for!!

 

[SPadival]

Marc is on the job already, correcting an forum member turned “influencer”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784155858252771333

 

[Knightshade]

Alex is... not a great source...for much of anything.

 

[EVNow]

When Patel posted that, I immediately thought it was improper of him to post this in public.

There is always room for interpretation of the regulations and there should be negotiations with regulators on the correct interpretation. Patel should not have negotiated in public and showed his hand.

My read was Tesla had been in negotiations and were disappointed with what they came up with. That disappointment and the reason he gave are Tesla's official position. Patel is too experienced to go off on such an important topic without internal consensus/approval.

Infact Patel might have been in charge of forming Tesla's stance on the issue and try to influence. If anything he may have been let go because he couldn't secure a favorable outcome.

 

[Electroman]

Marc is on the job already, correcting an forum member turned “influencer”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784155858252771333

Vehicle Safety & Automation Policy Lead at Tesla Motors is posting at Twitter without a blue check. How do I know it is him?

 

[SPadival]

Vehicle Safety & Automation Policy Lead at Tesla Motors is posting at Twitter without a blue check. How do I know it is him?

Lars Moravy doesn’t have a profile picture on his X account . How do I know it is him

 

[Electroman]

Lars Moravy doesn’t have a profile picture on his X account . How do I know it is him

Blue check mark is the basic minimum one should have, if they are aserious poster on X.

Moreover if he posts on behalf of an organization with a specific title, then he should be have Organization (gold) check mark. I don't read posts that are not even blue checked, which costs just one cup of Starbucks coffee a month.

 

[willow_hiller]

Small sample size, and all the usual caveats about those being polled apply, but still interesting poll on Reddit:

Among those who did not answer Other (myself included for owning FSD outright and so I could see the results of the poll), 53% of those given a FSD trial are willing to resubscribe now or at another time (either month-to-month or after the next non-patch update). 19% thought it was too expensive. 28% thought it was not reliable enough.

 

[winfield100]

Small sample size, and all the usual caveats about those being polled apply, but still interesting poll on Reddit:

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Among those who did not answer Other (myself included for owning FSD outright and so I could see the results of the poll), 53% of those given a FSD trial are willing to resubscribe now or at another time (either month-to-month or after the next non-patch update). 19% thought it was too expensive. 28% thought it was not reliable enough.

getting ready for a 2,500+ mile trip in a few days so keeping the $99 for at least another month, plus I jus got 12.6 yesterday

 

[uscbucsfan]

getting ready for a 2,500+ mile trip in a few days so keeping the $99 for at least another month, plus I jus got 12.6 yesterday

You mean 12.3.6

 

[GatorMeat]

I had to force 12.3.5 this morning. I changed the setting off of 'advanced' and back again and then held it for a few seconds and it started downloading.
I tried it again to get 12.3.6,, but it didn't work.

 

[winfield100]

You mean 12.3.6

apologies, 12.3.6.
i "phat fingered" my very old keyboard (many keys barely work, some double worrk)
ave done 259 supercharges so far, 40,598 miles in 23 months

 

[Singuy]

Have you guys noticed any major improvements lately? Been using FSD 12.3.6 the last 2 days under extremely difficult situations and so far it has been killing it. Lane closures, complete rearranging the road due to construction, getting over into a turning lane within 200 ft through 3 lanes of moving traffic...it has been pretty crazy lately. I haven't had a disengagement on city streets for now weeks. This includes getting to and getting out of Disney parking lots to home.

 

[Knightshade]

Have you guys noticed any major improvements lately? Been using FSD 12.3.6 the last 2 days under extremely difficult situations and so far it has been killing it. Lane closures, complete rearranging the road due to construction, getting over into a turning lane within 200 ft through 3 lanes of moving traffic...it has been pretty crazy lately. I haven't had a disengagement on city streets for now weeks. This includes getting to and getting out of Disney parking lots to home.

Nope.

Still works great most of the time. Still once in a while decides to hang out in between two lanes for too long while considering which one it really wants, and as often as not drifting back to where it began its now aborted lane change.

It can be good at getting into a needed turn lane close to the intersection, but more often than not it's because it wasn't smart enough to take the easier lane change slightly earlier so I'd say "still waits too long to get in proper lane for turns" is an unchanged negative behavior though unlike the "sits between lanes" one isn't inherently as dangerous.

 

[willow_hiller]

Have you guys noticed any major improvements lately? Been using FSD 12.3.6 the last 2 days under extremely difficult situations and so far it has been killing it. Lane closures, complete rearranging the road due to construction, getting over into a turning lane within 200 ft through 3 lanes of moving traffic...it has been pretty crazy lately. I haven't had a disengagement on city streets for now weeks. This includes getting to and getting out of Disney parking lots to home.

Yep. Navigating downtown DC, handling really challenging situations, and in most cases doing a better job than the human drivers around it.

It's gotten to the point where my wife doesn't even notice it's driving. We'll be driving home and she'll be telling me about her day, and occasionally I'll interrupt to say how impressed I am that FSD just handled a given situation. And until those interruptions, she doesn't think twice about it.

 

[SPadival]

Is it technically possible to remotely operate a Tesla today with all the camera feeds in HD? I don’t think the 4G modem has the bandwidth for that. Any idea on how Waymo or Cruise achieve this?

This is probably one feature upgrade that Tesla will have to build into the robotaxi. But knowing Elon, he’ll probably say that it’s unnecessary to have remote operators as a fallback and go all in driverless

 

[willow_hiller]

Is it technically possible to remotely operate a Tesla today with all the camera feeds in HD? I don’t think the 4G modem has the bandwidth for that. Any idea on how Waymo or Cruise achieve this?

There's a German company that does remote-operated rental vehicles (they remote-drive the rental to you, and then you park anywhere when you're done and they remote-drive it to the next customer). They actually do it all through 4G:

But knowing Elon, he’ll probably say that it’s unnecessary to have remote operators as a fallback and go all in driverless

Also in speaking of fallbacks, Omar is saying Tesla has a version of FSD that can perform a DDT fallback (which would be required for SAE levels above 3):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1789732621942923285

 

[Knightshade]

Is it technically possible to remotely operate a Tesla today with all the camera feeds in HD? I don’t think the 4G modem has the bandwidth for that. Any idea on how Waymo or Cruise achieve this?

They don't.

Waymo remote is things like telling the car "the place you're stuck is a dead end, take this other route instead"-- they don't real-time "drive" the car that way.

Also in speaking of fallbacks, Omar is saying Tesla has a version of FSD that can perform a DDT fallback (which would be required for SAE levels above 3):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1789732621942923285

Omar says lots of things that turn out to be fictional or entirely speculative though.