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Good point. I have to constantly remind myself be vigilant since I haven't had a critical safety issue in a long time and it's easy to get lazy. Disengagements sure but situations where I actually feel FSD would be in an accident if I didn't disengage not since I've had V12. With V11 frequently.

"Assumes that all vehicles traveling with their current speed". Thats a big assumption since we know cars change lanes and speeds. Not to mention sometimes they are going at high speeds where the room for error is less. Comparatively speaking this UPL is certainly not a simple intersection...

"Simplest task". Really? Low visibility requiring significant creep so the B-pillar can see Fast cross traffic Multiple lane traffic going in both directions Limited median space to hang out, requiring careful stoppage to avoid having your rear end hit Requires fast acceleration There is...

Interestingly nags were back to their normal frequency this afternoon when I did several other drives, both highway and city/streets. I should have known it was too good to be true since I hadn't seen others with 12.3.6 say much about nag reduction.

1 nag today after 15 minutes on the highway then drove another 12 minutes to exit ramp, then 2 minute city/street drive with no nags. So 29 minutes with 1 nag. Then 2 other city/street drives around 12 minutes each with no nags on either drive Wow. 12.3.6

Frankly unless there are clear pedestrian lines I would always stop where I have the visibility to decide when to go. I never paid much attention to lines it's always about being able to see safely. FSD just has to stop/creep a little further to see adequately. (B-pillar) And as I posted...

Are you assuming there is a white line since many intersections where I drive don't have any lines? These are the intersections where creeping is especially long since FSD seems to flip a coin to see where to initially stop but it's always too far back.

I have no idea what you're referring to but that is ok. What makes some creeps extra long are low visibility intersections where FSD has to creep even further for the B-pillar cameras to see. And I have a lot of low visibility intersections where I live :)

As expected V12.3.6 for me as most others have reported has little if any improvement. Basically a maintenance release while we wait for V12.4 to hopefully provide actual improvement. I like @Todd Burch's analogy of FSD arriving at an intersection like a grandma. FSD then dawdles for awhile...

I'm not a truck person so have no idea how EV trucks rank but won't be surprised if the CT outsells the other EV trucks as the legacy car makers pull back on their EV production.

Many will agree with you and that is my preference too. But one of the things I've noticed now is a lot of people prefer to back in. Tesla needs to speed up backing into a spot along with adding head in and angled parking.

I know it's probably my imagination but I did NOT get the upgrade, still on V12.3.4. However, my car behaved differently this morning. Crept quicker at Stop signs, speed control seemed better and the one time at a yellow light when I was expected a hard brake it went thru the light like it...

Found this in the investment thread. For those who think FSD might be better to skip Chuck's turn. Interesting. "I stopped watching his videos when I realized it is far faster to go to the light and turn left with all the other cars seen in Google street view instead of trying to be quicker...

Except when you need to use the steering wheel to avoid a pothole.

Hopefully Waymo can generate a profit in the future since they are still losing money.

At 12-13 seconds navigation changed from a U-turn to a right turn which the car did start to take. At the same time FSD was asking the driver to apply torque to the wheel. Watch at quarter speed and the planner and wheel were going right. So I'm not surprised the driver didn't intervene...

My complaint is V11 on the highway takes the exit or on ramp too fast. I find it's specific exits so the problem is repeatable. I have disengaged and reported to Tesla. I don't want FSD to adhere to the yellow speed advisory signs since they are so slow I'd really upset the vehicles behind...

Going from 20+ miles to never having a safety engagement makes this poll hard to answer. I actually don't believe I've had a critical safety related intervention but that is hard to know. I've certainly had disengagements for dangerous situations and dumb things FSD has done, but IMO don't...

Obviously you don't like the Cybertruck and that's fine. What annual number of delivered Cybertrucks would mean the CT is commercially successful in your opinion? And do you believe it's possible the CT will ever be the leader in the number of EV trucks sold?

No but we do know Tesla's Cybertruck production rate recently had a week of 1k trucks made. Doesn't mean that is the current production rate but we do know the ramp up is increasing over time. From Q1 earnings call transcript' " Lars Moravy -- Vice President, Vehicle Engineering I can take...

Everyday I use FSD for every drive and it's been weeks since I had a critical safety issue. Certainly couldn't say that on V11 which had critical safety issues all the time. My most common disengagements now are still potholes and police/road crews using hand gestures since there is so much...

Thanks very helpful,

I wasn't asking about FSD stats in general just if anyone knew if there were any fatalities and serious injuries. Fatalities would likely make the press. I haven't seen any reporting in the press or this forum of a fatality. A simple question.

Any reason why you didn't attempt to answer the actual question? Do we know of any fatalities with 1 billion FSD miles driven? Or for that matter serious injuries? The run rate is now another billion miles driven every 68 days. Tesla FSD users pass 1.3 billion cumulative miles National...

With 1 billion miles driven on FSD and growing quickly do we know if there have been any fatalities?

Projecting one negative experience as a trend is silly. My son and son-in-law are now both considering subscribing to FSD after using the free trial offer. Previously both had negative experiences as passengers in my car using FSD V11. Projecting my example as a trend would be equally silly...

Without intervention not a chance.. Without disengagement unlikely but I bet you could do it with 5-10. Remember almost all driving would be on the highway and if you waited until V12 is available on highways you'd be in a much better position. I've driven for hours at a time on the highway...

Have you ridden in the backseat with someone else driving V12 FSD? It's an interesting experience and provides a different perspective. Of course if you just seat in the backseat and try and critique the driver and FSD it's not that worthwhile.

L3 is getting more interest as you can see by this popular podcaster. (Farzad) Owners are beginning to wonder how FSD can actually help them and L3 is the best chance in the near term. Let's hope BYD offers L3 pushing Tesla to respond.

MB offering is a complete joke so let's ignore that for now. And for now let's put aside whether Tesla will accept liability. There is no reason Tesla couldn't add a graceful handoff for edge cases like coming up to an accident scene or police officers directing traffic with hand gestures...

You'll likely see L3 at a higher subscription price before any full autonomy is available. I think there is a growing expectation that L3 is a reasonable interim step knowing L4/L5 is not going to be available except for the dedicated autonomy vehicle which will be fleet based.

Like the B-pillar cameras would be sufficient :)

It's difficult because speed limit signs are not a reliable way to determine your speed even with offsets and settings to help FSD. Just compare normal traffic speed to posted mph signs. So I don't see why you would think controlling speed is "dramatically simpler" with AI. Just look at all...

I use FSD at night on the highway all the time. No problems for me. Rain or shine doesn't matter. Model Y (HW4)

Everyone who follows this thread knows that so I took that into consideration. I just don't believe I would have been uncomfortable if I was in the car. I've watch hundreds of other videos where I felt uncomfortable just like the driver. Could Tesla improve this behavior of course but that...

Yup speed control needs improvement, but I just didn't find your videos all that egregious and none that I was uncomfortable with. There are way more important improvements for FSD.

Watched each one and none of these stops bothered me very much. I suspect if you had someone in the back seat they would never even notice.

General impressions after additional drives. Speed is a non-issue for me. I just let FSD do it's thing now. Initially was way too slow than too fast but now I don't even think about changing the speed on City/Streets. On highways occasionally. I do wish Tesla would actually have the...

It was a T intersection so the behavior of just sitting at the intersection without ever moving was surprising. I just went back. No cars from either direction and FSD stopped and turned right as expected. No delay at all.

No. Just sat at the 2 intersections. After a minute plus I finally used the accelerator pedal both times. Odd. V12.3.4.

Twice recently FSD just sat at an intersection with a Stop sign and never moved. Waited over a minute. The only thing in common were low visibility corners (i.e. fencing), no shoulder and fairly fast crossing traffic. I wonder if FSD knew by creeping it would end up out in the roadway...

I've been doing that all along but it's not all that helpful unless I'm doing it wrong. First, I have to remember to do that. Second, I don't want to have to touch the display to begin with to initiate the zoom. I want navigation to auto zoom to the destination so the only thing I have to do...

Would anyone else like to see an improvement when choosing a destination for FSD to have an option to automatically zoom into the destination allowing you to place the pin where you want the drive to end/park? Sometimes I do this but often forget which then becomes a hassle to try and change...

Thanks for the clarification but that's not "striding aggressively".

Don't agree at all. She was standing still and for sure looked left but I don't think she moved until the car stopped. She certainly wasn't "striding aggressively into the cross walk". Unfortunately the pillar is in the way to really know. You can see her top half lean forward but that is...

For me the only change I noticed on V12.3.4 was the car was a bit slower especially where it was going too fast previously. 2-4 mph slower and no unnecessary hard accelerations. Over-all better. FSD continues to stop harshly when it decides not to proceed thru the yellow. I always thought...

When you slow down the video to quarter speed I don't believe the pedestrian had any intention to walk until the car stopped suddenly. Yes she looked left but I didn't see any movement. She then decided to walk once the driver stopped the car. FSD was making the correct decision but I might...

As pointed out highway is still V11 so there should be very little difference on highways compared to past builds for you. Was there anything in V12 that was better than V11 on city/streets or are you just highlighting the negative?

Too bad TeslaScope has to scale back on sharing information it looks like they had a run in with Tesla's legal department. They have been a useful source of information.

Actually reducing the monthly costs now sets Tesla up to charge $199/month for a legitimate L3. (not the crap Mercedes is offering). People will absolutely pay another $100/month if they can text, read and watch videos. Just no naps. Robotaxi while potentially great won't be ready for prime...