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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I added some to my post. I think this makes sense.
I've never experienced anything like what is described, though. It's not like I haven't seen or heard nags, either. To me it seems hard to get a strike if you're paying attention to the road.
10 seconds adjusting the route certainly does not lead to an instant strike! It leads to a "pay attention to the road" or similar! I mean, I guess I'll double check, but I am positive that I have done something like this. I have received many stern warnings and torque requirements.
At one point in 2022 I remember Tesla describing strikes as based on the rate of inattention (maybe it was in an email sent to violators?) - I wonder it that still applies in any way.
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FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Free Advice... don't go burning your daily check until you hear or see someone in this thread saying they are downloading V12.4....
I clarified, in my reply to your other post. The 10 seconds gets you a nag/warning, and if you clear that with torque and looking forward, and then go back to looking at the screen to finish what you were doing you get a strike after about 2 seconds with no second nag/warning.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
LSDTester#1
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
Wrong. It’s safer than keeping your eyes forward on the road 100% of the time. The trick is not to get fixated on any one thing. If your eyes are always forward, how will you see that guy barreling down your 6? Or the car creeping out on you 3?
It’s like flying. Always be scanning. Just don’t fixate. What’s the #1 rule of flying a plane? (Hint: It’s the same #1 rule as driving)
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I've never seen anything like that. I guess when it tells me to pay attention to the road, I do that. I guess I could experiment but don't really want a strike!
That timing seems pretty aggressive. Is this on initial enabling of FSD? Or after it has been running for a while?
Anyway, seems pretty hard to get a strike if you're paying attention. Which seems like a good plan. I've never seen any warnings in that case - and even torque nags are super infrequent (good to hear they are going to be gone forever, but unfortunate about sunglasses - of course very predictable and about what I expected).
When I look at the left side of the screen I still can see everything ahead of me. And I only look when the car is on a straight lane with ample time for reactions. And my eyes don't fixate at the screen. My eyeballs always move.
These Nag/Strike debates always start with a new complaint that “I then grab the wheel” or “I only looked at my phone for a few seconds”. Not much has changed in the rules or common sense.
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
I get the sentiment of the meme, but "Only in lighting" is misleading. For anyone with a car built after 2021, they have the infrared lights which should allow the system to work in any lighting conditions. For the rest of us, the light from the center screen is usually sufficient for the cabin-camera to see your eyes. But they cannot stop people from turning down the light from the center screen.
So the correct second half of the meme should be "Only when it can see your eyes."
Hopefully Tyson is building up an appetite for more ear lobe.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Aviate, Navigate, then communicate!
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Throw Back Picture of the screen in a M3 with V10.2
The Tentacle sucked!
The Tentacle sucked!
I thought it was turbulence spills drinks.
How long ago was this? I find that even now on 12.3.6 the car drifts out of the curve / lane in these intersections. One situation I almost always have to take over.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
October of 2021..... Alan posted that one. It was him pulling out of his driveway.
No wonder he has so many issues with the software.
LSDTester#1
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
As long as I'm still the driver in command I don't mind the "nags" which aren't really nags to me. Even as a "supervisor" I need be aware and alert. I consider having to be "engaged" with the system is an important safety benefit. Of course, I want "unsupervised" FSD at some point.
