There's already a FSD(Unsupervised) build in testing by Tesla - this is likely what will be officially announced on 8/8. My theory is that FSD(U)/FSDU will be the first L3 version. It won't be L4/L5. The manned robotaxi network will use the FSDU version - the driver is only there to take over when FSDU fails and needs human takeover in other words. Just my theory of course - only time will tell.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
KArnold
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Individually not necessarily. The UPS model was to plan an entire delivery route that naturally used right turns, so the "3 right turns" would each individually reach another delivery location.
I think you have a good chance of being right.
Daniel in SD
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Why not use remote assistance so you can have a single “driver” run many robotaxis?
I'm not sure that updating Autosteer/NOA is even in the plans. You want the better performance of FSD, subscribe to it...
What incentive? Of course, FSD will likely be safer, so maybe they will at some point, but I don't see any strong incentive at this point. (NHTSA seems more worried about keeping the driver engaged than on trying to demand that AP be perfect.)
AlanSubie4Life
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Mileage as extensively discussed.
The graph is critical. They could stop publishing it of course - another possible outcome.
Slope will likely decrease otherwise.
FSD usage slope increases a lot with v11 highways. v11 resulted in big increase in slope recently, biggest contributor.
And as discussed, if safer eventually something will need to give there. Obviously a high bar there.
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FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Don't take most of what I post seriously, unless I am specifically speaking about a behavior relating to the car and the way the software is performing.
Those posts come infrequently, but are well grounded with miles of experience from V10.2 to current release.
While I agree with your overall thesis, at the same time people who were 100% safety score testers, such as myself and many others here, have had it soo long that we are able to detect the most trivial of changes in any performance of the software.
This is something, that someone starting on V12 does not have the expertise of knowing. This is due to the old software was always 2 steps forward, 1 step back, and those using the system at the time learned to be hyper aware of the progressions and regressions.
Since V12 came out, and all the subsequent releases, I have noticed no regressions from update to update. The only exception could be the ASSO addition, in which most users are pressing the go pedal when they need extra speed or disengaging when going to fast. Turning off the ASSO seems to have ZERO change as to how fast ego (the car) maintains speed.
Personally, for me, V12 is a quantum leap forward after suffering for years on all the other stacks.
I suppose that's feasible - but it would require a certain level of network connectivity to allow remote control and camera displays coming from the robotaxi - I also have no idea about the legalities/approvals that may be involved for this type of thing.
Remote assistance can ONLY work with L4. L3 REQUIRES someone in the driver's seat ready to take over and physically and legally drive the the car.
Why would it change? The people using FSD on the highway will continue to use FSD on the highway, even after it transitions to the FSD V12.5 stack.
You wouldn't put AP mileage into a FSD usage statistic, even if it used the same NN.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
The Dr. told my parents I am Emotically impaired... I always use the wrong ones at the wrong time so I should just not use them at all!!Ah - that makes more sense! That's why we have emoticons as well!
All good points. I've actually noticed an uptake in hitting the go pedal since I've always got ASSO enabled. I'm often hitting the go pedal - likely several times each trip - whether around town or a longer road trips - as FSD is still too timid/shy in many circumstances- especially when navigating through stop signs or a scenario where a rolling stop - such as a right turn on red where the signs indicate that stopping isn't required. I've not had an instance that I can think of where FSD is going too fast and I've actually disengaged - though I'll admit when I enable FSD exiting our driveway - and it tentatively exits the driveway then accelerates pretty swiftly - in a suburban development - it's really going too fast at that moment - but after a second or two it modulates the speed and corrects itself.
Wait your an accountant and ALWAYS use the wrong 1s at the wrong time?????The Dr. told my parents I am Emotically impaired... I always use the wrong ones at the wrong time so I should just not use them at all!!
How does that add up especially if you don't use them? 
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Yeah, listen to Julien. He is one of the smart peeps who post here!
Daniel in SD
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FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Great question that a wiser and more knowledgeable person such as yourself could only answer.Wait your an accountant and ALWAYS use the wrong 1s at the wrong time?????
Not sure how that could be legal since that is the same as L0 driving. Seems if in an accident or moving violation the driver would need to be in the car since it is NOT autonomous and the same as any other car being driven by a person. How does the police see the driver's license for instance?
