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Personally (I'm not the person you were directly replying to), I'm fine with the open space on the floor.Disagree completely. I LIKE the idea, as a matter of fact, I might delay my car if the reverse were the case, they were planning to remove the center console.
If the cup holders are currently inconvenient, I would hope one of the options Tesla looks at are the 'unfolding' cup holders such as those in the iMiev.
I often have a computer bag worth of stuff that should fit perfectly in that open spot. I am guessing when my wife has her 'big' purse that spot will be a very convenient spot for that.
Personally (I'm not the person you were directly replying to), I'm fine with the open space on the floor.
What I hadn't realized before Sunday was that the big box between the front seats offers no storage. I don't understand that. It also offers no rear seat cupholders. Again, I'd expect some unfolding or pop out cup holders coming out of that box for the back seat occupants.
I guess that's my point: I don't want Tesla to put a new box on the floor between the seats. I want them to make the existing box useful rather than what currently seems like a big waste of space.
Yup, exactly that:Still a mystery as to why the armrests are split rather than be a single plank if they cannot be individually lifted up/sideways - I suppose one of the cupholders can be revealed independent of the other.
This seems pretty kneejerk to me.
I, for one, would prefer to get my car on-schedule and have some new console options in 2013, than to wait another month than I would otherwise.
My guess is this is in your head (unless you have some data to back this up). It's because you have spent years (decades?) with the sound of a high-performance ICE so when the sound is taken away your mind thinks you're driving a slow car. Fast ICEs are violent machines. They roar and jerk and lurch as the engine races and gears slam. You equate that violence with speed. The numbers don't lie - Model S is fast but it's also smooth which feels slow to you.E. Acceleration (7 out of 10)
1. Am I the only one that’s underwhelmed by the peak acceleration? I was driving the black performance, yet its peak acceleration is much slower than my 4.8s 0-60 car. I know that sounds odd, but this car doesn’t have the huge dip in acceleration at the start of 1st gear or at the transition between 1st and 2nd, so therefore the peak acceleration can be much lower even if its 0-60s time is better.
My guess is this is in your head (unless you have some data to back this up). It's because you have spent years (decades?) with the sound of a high-performance ICE so when the sound is taken away your mind thinks you're driving a slow car. Fast ICEs are violent machines. They roar and jerk and lurch as the engine races and gears slam. You equate that violence with speed. The numbers don't lie - Model S is fast but it's also smooth which feels slow to you.
When I give people rides in my Roadster, I get one of 2 reactions. If the person has never been in a fast car, the initial off-the-line pull really impresses them. However if they've driven fast ICE's, the impression comes when they expect the pause for the 1-2 shift that never comes - the car just keeps pulling. That's when the EV light goes on for them along w/ the instant acceleration at nearly any speed - no needing to downshift.
I don't think it's just the sound. I genuinely think that my car presses me harder into the seat. It's just that it only does that in 1st gear after the supercharger is adding extra air into the engine. How long does it take to shift gears from 1st to 2nd? a fraction of a second, but acceleration is zero when the clutch is in. Let's say it takes 0.3s to shift. and now let's add in that the ICE output is much more variable, and I think it would be hard to see how a steady output electric engine doing 0-60 in 4.4s could possibly have the same maximum acceleration as a highly variable ICE doing 0-60 in 4.8s.
Actually, in retrospect, the supercharger doesn't enter into it. My car's fastest acceleration is near 0mph (assuming the tires stick), and it gets slower from there.
Anyway, my point remains: a typical ICE has lower acceleration in 2nd gear, so therefore it will have faster acceleration in 1st gear to get the same 0-60 time.
...in exchange for making many other things about the driving behavior superior.
So, so superior...
Yeah, I get that an ICE car occasionally punches you back into the seat more, but that it's done so inconsistently and accentuated by the times when it isn't, like shifting gears, is just so f'd up. Doing 0-65 runs in the 911 was fun, to be sure. In the Roadster, it's just a blast.
So, so superior...
Doing 0-65 runs in the 911 was fun, to be sure. In the Roadster, it's just a blast.
accelerating above 60 in the roadster is subpar (at least mine is)
I agree. But I daily drive my Roadster and I accelerate from 0-60 way more than I accelerate from 60-90 or whatever. Also I don't have to downshift which helps the overall performance - ie if I need to pounce into an open space on the freeway I can do that easier in the Tesla than I could in my manual Corvette even though the Corvette accelerates more quickly at high speed (assuming it's in the correct gear).accelerating above 60 in the roadster is subpar (at least mine is)