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By now it's well known that the Model S (and the Roadster) drops a fair bit of range (perhaps 20%) between +3C and -3C. What I hadn't realized before is that there's another drop, perhaps 10%, a bit below -20C. I believe this is the point where the pack heater is operating constantly.

While up in Minden at the winter driving course it was between -17C and -20C at times - we only had a 12A/110V outlet available and it gave us +1km range after nearly three hours of charging. My guess is all of the energy was being used to keep the battery warm. I'd agree that somewhere around 0C the range hit kicks in and then another big drop around -15C or colder. I'm sure the data coming from our friends in Alberta and Manitoba will give the engineering team some food for thought.
 
Yes, 110V charges very slowly in the winter. I've actually been using that to advantage, to keep my pack warm overnight. Once we get a proper charge timer I'll get around to installing a NEMA 14-50 in my garage (I have J1772 at the office and, as mentioned, a slightly inconvenient one at home, so it's no big rush).
 
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Doug, thanks for the story and glad to hear everything worked out ok...hey, did we lose Mark to B. C. For good, or is it just temporary?

It's for good. He's moving house. Big promotion - great for him, loss for us.
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110V charges very slowly. ("Period")

Okay, let me rephrase that. 110V charges very slowly in summer, and ridiculously slowly in winter.
 
Jgdixon - yes, that must have been your S on the hoist. Good to hear you're back on the road. I was at the Service Centre in the late afternoon and must have arrived before Doug, which would explain why we didn't see each others cars. The orange Roadster was traded in and was being prepped for display in the Yorkdale store.
 
Dam & blast!...Mark worked on my Roadster since day one and always did a great job...great loss for us indeed! :crying:

You guys out west are getting a crackerjack Ranger...best of luck to you Mark!

It's for good. He's moving house. Big promotion - great for him, loss for us.
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Okay, let me rephrase that. 110V charges very slowly in summer, and ridiculously slowly in winter.
 
Aha! The guys at the store said they "might" be getting a Roadster. I thought that odd. Also explains why it didn't have plates.

What would the Store do with a Roadster? I noticed the San Diego store had a Roadster parked with its test drive Model S as well. Perhaps there is a used/reconditioned Roadster market opening up with folks trading in???
 
What would the store do with a Roadster? That's easy - sell it. :smile:

I expect they'll probably replace the Model S alpha car with the Roadster to have it on display in the store with the production S.

By my count there are three Canadian Roadsters currently for sale - VINs 909 and 938 on TMC and the orange CPO Roadster. No doubt that these are from owners switching to a Model S, but considering there are 57 Roadsters in Canada it seems about right to have 2 or 3 on the market at any one time.
 
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But technically the stores don't "sell" cars, they just showcase them and you order on-line. Either the Roasters are just there for show, or the stores are getting into the business of selling used cars.

They most certainly can "sell" cars, except in those jurisdictions where they aren't allowed to. I bought my Roadster from Tesla Toronto. At the time it was just an office, but it's the same people!
 
They most certainly can "sell" cars, except in those jurisdictions where they aren't allowed to. I bought my Roadster from Tesla Toronto. At the time it was just an office, but it's the same people!

Agreed. I bought my used Roadster from Tesla Toronto in July 2011. They've been in the business of selling used cars for a while (in Toronto at least).
 
They most certainly can "sell" cars, except in those jurisdictions where they aren't allowed to. I bought my Roadster from Tesla Toronto. At the time it was just an office, but it's the same people!

Okay, well that's different than my experience. I was directed to the web site to place my order. It was before the Toronto store opened, of course, but all of my transactions have been with Palo Alto in spite of conversations I had with Hans and others at the time. (It worked well, and was fine with me, but that was how it worked). My Deliver Specialist (Gar) is from Palo Alto and even the sales people (that I met, anyway) at the Toronto Get Amped event were all from the US.

Perhaps it's different in the Model S era?
 
While we're on the topic of Hoth conditions...

I noticed this in the current version of ms_vehicle_warranty.pdf:
In addition to the above exclusions and limitations, this New Vehicle
Limited Warranty does not cover any of the following:
...
Any damage to the vehicle’s Battery, including damage directly or
indirectly caused by, due to or resulting from abuse, misuse, accident,
lack of or improper maintenance, including, but not limited to, the
following:
...
Exposing the vehicle to ambient temperatures above 140°F (60°C)
or below -22°F (-30°C) for more than 24 hours at a time

What precautions are you taking and/or recommending w/r/t hotel selection when sub 30°C temperatures are in the forecast?
 
What precautions are you taking and/or recommending w/r/t hotel selection when sub 30°C temperatures are in the forecast?

-30C temperatures are rare in Ottawa, and it's historically never been that cold in Toronto or Montreal. If you did have conditions like that, first and foremost I would want a hotel where you could plug in. A secondary consideration would be some shelter for the vehicle. I'm sure it would be fine if you charged and/or drove it, as that heats the car up.