What battery cells are in the 2023 M3 LR?

[AAKEE]

Been digging into this myself, as I have a 2023 LR and was wondering why it struggles to reach 250 kW. A bit disappointing that I didn’t know of this beforehand, but not the biggest deal. I am interested to see how the LG cells pan out in the US. There will come a time where we will need replacement modules, so hopefully there will be plenty of packs to pull from. Are there any other physical differences in the LG packs compared to the US Panasonic?

The LG NCMA packs can not deliver same power as the Panasonic NCA.

For charging, they are slower.

You can only reach 250kW if starting at practically Zero and then only nudge 250, after that the drop comes asap.
Picture from teslalogger Model Y made in Germany, to get LG NCMA only

For comparison Panasonic 77.8 kWh, first gen model 3 which charges fastest:

 

[ucmndd]

There will come a time where we will need replacement modules

Module swaps aren’t ever going to be a thing.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

A lot of great info in this thread. Thank you to everyone for contributing to it. Which batteries are the LR Highland cars using?

 

[AAKEE]

A lot of great info in this thread. Thank you to everyone for contributing to it. Which batteries are the LR Highland cars using?

LG M50 cells, 78.8kWh when new.

This is for Europe etc.

Is the highland released in USA yet?

 

[E90alex]

Is the highland released in USA yet?

Not yet. I would expect the same battery packs as currently used though. So LFP for RWD, LG for LR and the Performance (or whatever they end up calling it) will retain the Panasonic.

 

[SQ97]

LG M50 cells, 78.8kWh when new.

This is for Europe etc.

Is the highland released in USA yet?

Still waiting. I am eager to drive one.

 

[sahaight]

Why would they choose to do this with a single model but not the rest of them, which remain as unrealistic as they’ve ever been?

Leaving the Model Y LR with a 330 mile EPA rating but changing the Model 3 LR to 333 makes zero sense if the battery packs are really the same.

Curious what you think is far reaching about that? Tesla needs every cell they can get, from every source. They’ve already proven success with this model by importing Chinese LFP cells for the Model 3 RWD. Makes perfect sense given the evidence at hand.

I'd guess the difference in range is due to the weight difference.

 

[AAKEE]

I'd guess the difference in range is due to the weight difference.

There’s virtually no weight difference between the Panasonic batteries and the LG’s. The weight of the car is the same with these two batteries. The cell wight is the same within 1g (LG M-50 being the lighter one).

 

[Mrbrock]

There’s virtually no weight difference between the Panasonic batteries and the LG’s. The weight of the car is the same with these two batteries. The cell wight is the same within 1g (LG M-50 being the lighter one).

His comment was about the 3 vs Y and I’m assuming he meant vehicle weight difference which is way of base.

 

[AAKEE]

His comment was about the 3 vs Y and I’m assuming he meant vehicle weight difference which is way of base.

If thats the case, 3 vs Y, then the 3 has the LG pack, 78.8 kWh vs the Y with the Panasonic 82.1 kWh.

So much less energy in the 3, less drag and less weight.

 

[Mrbrock]

If thats the case, 3 vs Y, then the 3 has the LG pack, 78.8 kWh vs the Y with the Panasonic 82.1 kWh.

So much less energy in the 3, less drag and less weight.

The point was the 3 had more miles because of less weight. Nothing about pack size or chemistry. It was a misinformed comment.

 

[cobra2326]

Does anyone know if the Model 3 LR in the US is 78.8 with the LG M50 cells? From reading this thread, it sounds like we're sure the MIC LR outside the US is 78.8, but are they slightly lower here in the US?

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Does anyone know if the Model 3 LR in the US is 78.8 with the LG M50 cells? From reading this thread, it sounds like we're sure the MIC LR outside the US is 78.8, but are they slightly lower here in the US?

If it says ~330 miles of range it is 78.8 kWh in the US. If it says 350+ miles of range it is 82.1 kWh.

 

[Videomatic3]

Does anyone know if the Model 3 LR in the US is 78.8 with the LG M50 cells? From reading this thread, it sounds like we're sure the MIC LR outside the US is 78.8, but are they slightly lower here in the US?

M50f1a on the 333 mile range model 3

 

[nicksp]

What is the capacity on a 18 M3LR? I've read 75 and 78. Thanks.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

What is the capacity on a 18 M3LR? I've read 75 and 78. Thanks.

78kWh

But most of those vehicles will now be closer to 70kWh, except for @KenC’s

 

[nicksp]

78kWh

But most of those vehicles will now be closer to 70kWh, except for @KenC’s

Mine is still at 70.6kwh. Pretty happy with that.

 

[JCtx]

After reading this entire thread (very informative), looks like the current M3P (which I'm considering) comes with the Pana NCA 82.1kWh pack. My question is if a regular LR had that battery pack, according to the comment above, it'd have 350+ range. So what is different about the P that lowers the range that much (350+ to 315)? I thought the motors were the same, and the only change came from the wheels/tires. But seems like it's more than that, no? Maybe the motors (or one of them) is different. Hopefully somebody knows. Thank you.

 

[AAKEE]

After reading this entire thread (very informative), looks like the current M3P (which I'm considering) comes with the Pana NCA 82.1kWh pack. My question is if a regular LR had that battery pack, according to the comment above, it'd have 350+ range. So what is different about the P that lowers the range that much (350+ to 315)? I thought the motors were the same, and the only change came from the wheels/tires. But seems like it's more than that, no? Maybe the motors (or one of them) is different. Hopefully somebody knows. Thank you.

The P has a stronger rear motor.
Earlier on they had the same but the LR did get a motor with weaker inverter (cost sabings,mostly).

The range difference is for the bigger part the larger wheels.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

After reading this entire thread (very informative), looks like the current M3P (which I'm considering) comes with the Pana NCA 82.1kWh pack. My question is if a regular LR had that battery pack, according to the comment above, it'd have 350+ range. So what is different about the P that lowers the range that much (350+ to 315)? I thought the motors were the same, and the only change came from the wheels/tires. But seems like it's more than that, no? Maybe the motors (or one of them) is different. Hopefully somebody knows. Thank you.

The wheels and tires alone could account for the difference. 315 miles is 90% of 350 miles. Remember, the 350+ miles was only with the 18” wheels and efficient Primacy tires.

I put 18” wheels and ultra efficient Hankook iON EVO AS tires on my 2022 Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery. I am pretty sure I can match a LR efficiency with my car now.

Most if not all of the LR cars with the Panasonic battery will have the 990 motor instead of the 980 motor. However, I don’t think that will make a tremendous difference in efficiency like the wheels and tires can.