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Have there really been over $1 billion in EV subsidies? I wonder if they are including loans Tesla and Fisker got. (which Tesla paid back)?
The Big 3 also took money to develop alternative fuel vehicles, which is probably (and properly) in that bucket.Have there really been over $1 billion in EV subsidies? I wonder if they are including loans Tesla and Fisker got. (which Tesla paid back)?
So tell me if I have this correctly, big oil gets subsidies and that keeps oil prices lower ( that is a joke) in this country, but big oil is still making billions. So how about stopping the subsidies and not allowing big oil to raise prices so instead of making billions they only make millions. Then take the money from what was the subsides and put it toward getting us off fossil fuel.
I know just dreaming, but it is like a horror movie.Do you not seriously think they have every other politician in their pocket? Reality is worse than the movies.
So tell me if I have this correctly, big oil gets subsidies and that keeps oil prices lower ( that is a joke) in this country, but big oil is still making billions. So how about stopping the subsidies and not allowing big oil to raise prices so instead of making billions they only make millions. Then take the money from what was the subsides and put it toward getting us off fossil fuel.
Last year about 100,000 plug in vehicles were sold. With a federal tax credit of $7,500/vehicle that is $750 million alone. I am sure there are costs for the program as well Since the chart is 2010 to date that cover 175,000 EV sales for a total of $1.3 Billion. So yes those numbers add up. I wish there was a source for the fossil fuel subsidies as that number seems high or might include a lot of defense and health care money that,while I believe those numbers, can be easily disputed.Have there really been over $1 billion in EV subsidies? I wonder if they are including loans Tesla and Fisker got. (which Tesla paid back)?
See my link to the CBO report upthread for a source on the subsidies to fossil fuels.Last year about 100,000 plug in vehicles were sold. With a federal tax credit of $7,500/vehicle that is $750 million alone. I am sure there are costs for the program as well Since the chart is 2010 to date that cover 175,000 EV sales for a total of $1.3 Billion. So yes those numbers add up. I wish there was a source for the fossil fuel subsidies as that number seems high or might include a lot of defense and health care money that,while I believe those numbers, can be easily disputed.
See my link to the CBO report upthread for a source on the subsidies to fossil fuels.
The CBO report documents $24 billion in support: $20.5 bn in "tax preferences" and $3.5 bn in direct payments. "Tax preferences" is a form of spending, just as surely as writing a check. In fact, the $7500/vehicle rebate is a "tax preference".I saw your link and $3 billion is a long way from $13 billion. Your report which seem very credible shows the bulk of the money going to renewables. The earlier pie chart was overwhelming fossil fuels. That 13 billion number is what I am questioning.
So the question I have about the chart is why the $18 bn is so much lower than the CBO figure.
I must be missing something as it looks like most of the tax breaks now in effect seem to be for renewables.
I am all for renewables but having A hard time finding the massive fossil fuel tax breaks.
See: http://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2013/012813.pdfEnergy subsidies are pervasive and impose substantial fiscal and economic costs in most regions.
On a ―pre-tax basis, subsidies for petroleum products, electricity, natural gas, and coal reached $480 billion in 2011 (0.7 percent of global GDP or 2 percent of total government revenues). The cost of subsidies is especially acute in oil exporters, which account for about two-thirds of the total. On a ―post-tax basis—which also factors in the negative externalities from energy consumption —subsidies are much higher at $1.9 trillion (2½ percent of global GDP or 8 percent of total government revenues). The advanced economies account for about 40 percent of the global post-tax total, while oil exporters account for about one-third. Removing these subsidies could lead to a 13 percent decline in CO2 emissions and generate positive spillover effects by reducing global energy demand.
I think EVs are north of $3b. As each of Chevy, Nissan and Tesla have sold north of 100,000 units and at $7500 for each car I get $2.25B for those 3 companies alone.Have there really been over $1 billion in EV subsidies? I wonder if they are including loans Tesla and Fisker got. (which Tesla paid back)?
Just about all these so called subsidies are the same tax breaks that all companies enjoy. Historically the oil companies make less rate of return than other industries.
Just about all these so called subsidies are the same tax breaks that all companies enjoy.
I assume it would be inappropriate to repeat it here, given the length of it, so here it is:
post #15 of Catalog of oil industry tax and other subsidies