Agree 100%. Chamath P. or Steven Mark Ryan would at least have a sufficient understanding of the facts, as well as a large enough huevos, to torch this luddite.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Actually, I've started to keep tabs on Gordon's tweets (screenshots and capturing video of his interviews) as well as starting to try to track how many times CNBC has had Gordon on their shows compared to other analysts.......I'm actually hoping they continue to show favoritism to him over anyone else covering Tesla and that he continues saying blatant lies.....it makes it easy to claim slander.
If Tesla does rocket to the moon in the 1-2 years and I have that extra FUD money, I know a couple lawyers and will be starting a lawsuit against Gordon and CNBC for slander and defamation with intent for market manipulation. The more he outright lies on these interviews and CNBC continues to have him on with no disclaimers, the more it legitimates the lawsuit. Hopefully, could turn it into a class action lawsuit if enough investors join on. Obviously, the odds of the case winning would be debatable and CNBC would not doubt try to drain my FU funds set aside for this......but I just want to see them squirm at this point
lafrisbee
Active Member
I agree with the vision. Tesla will provide the "Sleeper Car train" experience as soon as FSD is there. And with over 400 miles of range, 500 in the cyber(nota) truck, traveling less than that distance gives you the experience without a single interruption. But at THE Most you'd have to wake up is One Time during a 10 hour drive. And as we are predominately a group of older men we already do that.
The real advantage of FSD will be the dramatic decrease in loss of quality time and expense when vacationing in a cyber(nota)truck. ANY day event within 500 miles of your home will only cost you ONE day of your time and only the electricity to get you there and back.
Say, you want to go your college's Homecoming Football game 400 miles away and see some old friends. Have a normal Friday happy hour and dinner with friends, come home, shower, load the C(nota)T at around midnight, climb in and go to sleep. Wake up to have breakfast and recharge the battery, and you might as well stock the ice chest if you didn't load up the frunk for a tailgate last night. Hop back in and either rest your eyes or become a person on the tour bus seeing how the campus is changing.
Do the game, Hang out till midnight, Hop back in, go to sleep, wake up at home (or very close). Shower, and go to work.
No days wasted traveling because you can sleep there and back. Even on arriving back at your house you are well rested and capable of going to work.
As to money
The only expenses are tickets, drinks(cooler?), food, and electricity.
NO
plane ticket
car rental
Hotel (three day required for home games and they jack up the prices)
FSD will create a measurable shift in the vacation/leisure paradigm
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
Yes, Elon is often altruistic and when that open source question came up, as an investor, I got seriously spooked...waiting for the reply.... Squeamish... . I was thrilled to hear the reasonable answer that it was expensive and had to be paid for somehow. Thank God.
Iain
Member
I'm sure we will continue to hear lots of opinions from 'experts" regarding Tesla. What i found amusing this morning here in Austin was the local morning show did a big piece on AI day, but all they took away from it was Tesla is introducing a Bot named Dojo.
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
Why isn't GLJ's segment legal slander?
Because it’s illegal slander?
StealthP3D
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You could think of it as putting your robot through school, technical colleges or even universities to get advanced degrees, and they wouldn't need to be limited to physical tasks like cooking. Your robot could get advanced degrees in various subjects so they could talk intelligently about a wide variety of subjects.
When a guest comes over you could introduce your robot by name and say "Jeeves was originally trained in hospitality and advanced French cooking but has since broadened his horizons with expertise in astrophysics. With his undergraduate degrees in psychology, philosophy and renewable energy he is particularly adept at lobbying at City Hall. Last month he convinced the City Council to attach a prohibition to the City purchase of new ICE vehicles unless it could be shown there was not a cost-effective BEV alternative. Would you like a drink and an appetizer?
Recall in the past Elon has conveyed his concern of hostile AI and robots (remember the “Cheetah” bot you could only see with a strobe light?). Dojo and Optimus Subprime seem to be his alternatives.
Wouldn't that be an above average wakefulness time?
This guy is on TMC. @Bladerskb
I respect the knowledge he has about all of the self driving efforts out there. He knows the details about everyone's programs, what sensors they are using, what parts of their models are hand coded vs neural net, etc... If someone gave a test on self driving car knowledge, he'd ace it.
He also knows absolutely nothing about how machine learning and deep learning work, because he's never done it. You can read about topics, but you don't become great at them until you actually do them for a while. So when he makes comments about criticizing Tesla's techniques, it's without knowledge on what actually matters.
Case in point, he mocks that Tesla is using neural net architectures that aren't new. Which is correct. Except, what really matters is having the massive amount of data to make those networks useful! He will downplay this, because he doesn't really know about that.
Or he will harp on how Waymo's amazing simulations will make them thr most successful. Where in reality with machine learning, you need a "good enough" simulation combined with absolutely all the edge case data you can get. Which Waymo absolutely does not have. But he doesn't understand that because he doesn't actually do deep learning.
My critiques are now why he has added a title of "deep learning researcher" lol no.
Waymo and Cruise assuredly should love him because he'll rehash their garbage marketing material because he doesn't know any better.
That's my problem with all of those types. Tesla can hire any talent they want. They can acquire almost any company they want. And as importantly they have a culture of taking risks and trying new things straight from the top down. This hardly guarantees success, but it gives them as good or better odds than any other company on Earth.
I take it back. The winner is Linette, who figured out the robot was a person in a robot suit....
I don’t believe he’s not vaccinated. His travels fo Italy and Germany would have required this of him if he didn’t want to quarantine for at least 5 days…
More on robot viability. Wires are a pain. And expensive. And unreliable.
Let's compare the reliability of a fully thermocouples piece of power electronics with 100 paired wires called themocuoples. It is a rats nest, even iff well dressed.
To a thermal image of the piece of power electronics. Much simpler.
To a fielded piece of equipment that is periodically thermal imaged (or continuously).
Video is great for field data acquisition - lot of points.
If beam torque wrenches were a part of every slightly flexible bone, and they could be observed with an inside camera, almost all the wires go away and you are already formatted for AI processing.
Internally visible for position and some ratio method (like pinky is always weaker) and just a few strain locations that the camera could see...
Or just back it all out from the motor data... Or the motor data and the tendon stretch. Motor data is sort of open loop and would require periodic calibration.
I am not convinced you need anything more than motor torque and positional information that a camera could get.
In other words, Tesla's new set of tools could vastly simplify what is needed inside the robot.
Let's compare the reliability of a fully thermocouples piece of power electronics with 100 paired wires called themocuoples. It is a rats nest, even iff well dressed.
To a thermal image of the piece of power electronics. Much simpler.
To a fielded piece of equipment that is periodically thermal imaged (or continuously).
Video is great for field data acquisition - lot of points.
If beam torque wrenches were a part of every slightly flexible bone, and they could be observed with an inside camera, almost all the wires go away and you are already formatted for AI processing.
Internally visible for position and some ratio method (like pinky is always weaker) and just a few strain locations that the camera could see...
Or just back it all out from the motor data... Or the motor data and the tendon stretch. Motor data is sort of open loop and would require periodic calibration.
I am not convinced you need anything more than motor torque and positional information that a camera could get.
In other words, Tesla's new set of tools could vastly simplify what is needed inside the robot.
An antibody test result might work for the private jet crowd.
Words of HABIT
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Remember Honda's Asimo walking/talking humanoid robot unveiled in 2000. It had good intentions and alot of practical applications, however was discontinued in 2018.
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www.theverge.com
Just as Tesla advanced the auto, transportation and energy sectors, Tesla will advance the humanoid. The others will simply ask "what happened?"
Honda retires its famed Asimo robot
Asimo, Honda’s adorable, humanoid robot, is no more. The company announced it would cease production of the robot in order to focus on using Asimo’s technology for more practical use in nursing and road transport.
www.theverge.com
Just as Tesla advanced the auto, transportation and energy sectors, Tesla will advance the humanoid. The others will simply ask "what happened?"
DragonWatch
Small FootPrint
Forward Observing
Technology ~ kind of like the movie Mrs Robinson; “the future is plastics.” Without the sex.
As a teen, I visited Disneyland and observed a “look a like” of Abraham Lincoln. He sat there and spoke, and waved his arms in jerky motions. If they still have the display today, I wonder what computer version, some sixty years later. A key point, how did the builder of the rudimentary robot and programmer know what Lincoln’s gestures and characteristics were, let alone his voice? Do they still have the display. FYI ~ it cost $20 for the day and book of tickets
Observation ~ while very diverse group of male engineers, no female leads; AI Day presentation. Further, and not recommending, I know a PHD female that used to work for a competitor start-up. She quit about two years ago, claiming the other company would fold within six months. Two years later, the company still exists, but still has yet to produce cars on the road/for sale. Point/bottom line there are female engineers out there.
As some are aware, I commanded the first multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) in Europe back in 1983. No I am not a hero or seeking glory ~ too old and Tesla well off to care. My bottom line or point is that the FUD associated on that microscopic event is exactly what is happening to Tesla/Elon. My battery of nine launchers carried the same firepower of three battalions of 8” cannons. The job displacement was something like 160 men vs 4K. Now, let’s move forward in time. What if, a three person crew could be replaced with one Teslabot? No humans. The driver could be a second pair of eyes/cameras. Upgrade the GPS, we had it before most here were born or knew about at the time. New GPSs should eliminate any need of survey crews. FYI ~ military has computer programs to calculate cost savings ~ you should have seen the poo hit the fan when I calculated the cost of eliminating a general position in Europe Sorry, but I will laugh about that the rest of my life FYI ~ this MLRS battery was my proverbial sucking chest wound and I will never recover:-(
While Elon mentioned something like universal income, he gave no details of what that would look like.
I am, and always have been excited about what the future holds. I remember one day at our ranch in Cucamonga (CA), a day when we could see the moon; my mother said, “some day we will land on the moon.” I think I was four then. I was later in the ”day room” preparing to go to Vietnam while the first landing aired on TV. Did not go to Vietnam, even though I volunteered. Did not know of a doctor to ask for an excuse not to go I was not of that character anyway.
Most of what I learn is through the hard knocks of life. Kind of like the rock that caught me on the back of the head as a child playing war. Or, about the same time I required more stitches because I tried firing my air rifle with the pumping lever in extended position ~ flew back and caught my thumb.
Speaking of displaced workers. While growing up, there was a great deal of hatred by loggers due to the “Spotted owl.” Yesterday, as I walked up hill to water our trees, I could hear the machine munching through a forest soon to be gone. Logging today no longer requires humans ~ except the driver. While training in Germany, I loved their logging practice of selectively cutting trees and using horses to haul the trees out of the forest.
Those of you still here as dedicated longs, might remember Lutz of GMC, spewing Tesla will fail. Me? Well, do not hear much out of him at this point in time. However, Ford CEO seems be taking over for him.
Perspective ~ humans have been on Earth for hunreds of thousands of years, not a simple three or four thousand years. I count the number of Tesla’s I see on the road each time my wife allows me out of the dungeon. Or, how excited I get seeing a truck load of Tesla’s heading for Seattle or that country to the north. That, that is where the “Rubber Meets the road“ ~ everything else is FUD
Current FUD, old FUD is simply FUD. Try watching or looking for the growth of Tesla’s in the wild, or getting excited about a truck load flying past you to soon be released. Keep being excited each time the quarterly deliveries are announced. Know that when I observe the Toyota lot of new vehicles is half its old size, something is happening. Oh yeah, they are cutting sales forecast. Chip is the culprit according to Toyota. But, what is the tipping point when fossil fuel truely gives way to electric cars? What does that landscape look like? Will you know it when you see it? Think about the chip Toyota, Ford, GMC needs for fossil fuel cars vs the chip Tesla needs. Hell, he (Elon) just showed you! Critical thinking ~ clear your mind and breath. I know, I should practice what I preach
Funny ~ China recently demanded that all the data derived by Tesla’s driving in China ~ stays in China. Elon just said, “fine, keep it, we do not need it to create the program for self driving.” Did I get that right?
FYI ~ it does not matter what I say, if humans are around in another four hundred thousand years, no one will know I even existed. Just a realest ~ fine by me. My silly millimeter of space and time is fine by me. Tesla will rise and fall again; and continue to grow. Old saying, “lead or get out of the way.” Go Elon/Tesla!
Thank you for your time
Technology ~ kind of like the movie Mrs Robinson; “the future is plastics.” Without the sex.
As a teen, I visited Disneyland and observed a “look a like” of Abraham Lincoln. He sat there and spoke, and waved his arms in jerky motions. If they still have the display today, I wonder what computer version, some sixty years later. A key point, how did the builder of the rudimentary robot and programmer know what Lincoln’s gestures and characteristics were, let alone his voice? Do they still have the display. FYI ~ it cost $20 for the day and book of tickets
Observation ~ while very diverse group of male engineers, no female leads; AI Day presentation. Further, and not recommending, I know a PHD female that used to work for a competitor start-up. She quit about two years ago, claiming the other company would fold within six months. Two years later, the company still exists, but still has yet to produce cars on the road/for sale. Point/bottom line there are female engineers out there.
As some are aware, I commanded the first multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) in Europe back in 1983. No I am not a hero or seeking glory ~ too old and Tesla well off to care. My bottom line or point is that the FUD associated on that microscopic event is exactly what is happening to Tesla/Elon. My battery of nine launchers carried the same firepower of three battalions of 8” cannons. The job displacement was something like 160 men vs 4K. Now, let’s move forward in time. What if, a three person crew could be replaced with one Teslabot? No humans. The driver could be a second pair of eyes/cameras. Upgrade the GPS, we had it before most here were born or knew about at the time. New GPSs should eliminate any need of survey crews. FYI ~ military has computer programs to calculate cost savings ~ you should have seen the poo hit the fan when I calculated the cost of eliminating a general position in Europe
Sorry, but I will laugh about that the rest of my life FYI ~ this MLRS battery was my proverbial sucking chest wound and I will never recover:-(While Elon mentioned something like universal income, he gave no details of what that would look like.
I am, and always have been excited about what the future holds. I remember one day at our ranch in Cucamonga (CA), a day when we could see the moon; my mother said, “some day we will land on the moon.” I think I was four then. I was later in the ”day room” preparing to go to Vietnam while the first landing aired on TV. Did not go to Vietnam, even though I volunteered. Did not know of a doctor to ask for an excuse not to go
I was not of that character anyway.Most of what I learn is through the hard knocks of life. Kind of like the rock that caught me on the back of the head as a child playing war. Or, about the same time I required more stitches because I tried firing my air rifle with the pumping lever in extended position ~ flew back and caught my thumb.
Speaking of displaced workers. While growing up, there was a great deal of hatred by loggers due to the “Spotted owl.” Yesterday, as I walked up hill to water our trees, I could hear the machine munching through a forest soon to be gone. Logging today no longer requires humans ~ except the driver. While training in Germany, I loved their logging practice of selectively cutting trees and using horses to haul the trees out of the forest.
Those of you still here as dedicated longs, might remember Lutz of GMC, spewing Tesla will fail. Me? Well, do not hear much out of him at this point in time. However, Ford CEO seems be taking over for him.
Perspective ~ humans have been on Earth for hunreds of thousands of years, not a simple three or four thousand years. I count the number of Tesla’s I see on the road each time my wife allows me out of the dungeon. Or, how excited I get seeing a truck load of Tesla’s heading for Seattle or that country to the north. That, that is where the “Rubber Meets the road“ ~ everything else is FUD
Current FUD, old FUD is simply FUD. Try watching or looking for the growth of Tesla’s in the wild, or getting excited about a truck load flying past you to soon be released. Keep being excited each time the quarterly deliveries are announced. Know that when I observe the Toyota lot of new vehicles is half its old size, something is happening. Oh yeah, they are cutting sales forecast. Chip is the culprit according to Toyota. But, what is the tipping point when fossil fuel truely gives way to electric cars? What does that landscape look like? Will you know it when you see it? Think about the chip Toyota, Ford, GMC needs for fossil fuel cars vs the chip Tesla needs. Hell, he (Elon) just showed you! Critical thinking ~ clear your mind and breath. I know, I should practice what I preach
Funny ~ China recently demanded that all the data derived by Tesla’s driving in China ~ stays in China. Elon just said, “fine, keep it, we do not need it to create the program for self driving.” Did I get that right?
FYI ~ it does not matter what I say, if humans are around in another four hundred thousand years, no one will know I even existed. Just a realest ~ fine by me. My silly millimeter of space and time is fine by me
. Tesla will rise and fall again; and continue to grow. Old saying, “lead or get out of the way.” Go Elon/Tesla!Thank you for your time
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