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I am assuming this is too bring in additional funds for Q2.

I think it’s probably due to the exchange rate. The Canadian government is not smart enough to move our economy away from fossil fuels, even giving more money recently to bail out the industry and subsidize pipelines. Therefore, when the price of oil goes off a cliff, so does our dollar....
 
650.95! What an incredible day. The chatter last Thu evening was how TSLA exploded after hours. Today made that look like nothing. The momentum continues after hours (for now).


I don't think Elon's goal has changed. He still wants the other auto companies to join him. The fastest possible transition to renewable energy remains his primary objective.

Some of us said early on C19 might put Tesla in a much stronger market position going forward. Seems like that bandwagon is loaded now. At the same time, this is a competitive business and Elon will attempt to capitalize. If domination is achievable, he'll take it.

I repeat: The day is coming (not soon) when the other auto companies will demand the government protect them and reign in Tesla.

In which country or what continent.
 
And the coveted award for Clickbait Headline Of The Day goes to...

Tesla Stock Just Gained Another 14%. Here’s Why.

Click to this bastion of "Reliable Market Advice in Unreliable Times" and you'll be treated to this insight:
...Monday’s move is likely related to investors adjusting their positions.

Thank God for Barron's. Now I know that investors buying shares makes a stock rise.

But as Anton Wahlman would say... wait there's more! The article suggests, with zero evidence, that the buyers are shorts covering. But why?
The Tesla bears have been put under pressure as the stock has risen, likely zooming past the levels at which many short sellers placed their bets that prices would fall.

I see. Shorts buy when the stock rises. But why did the rise start?
They appear to be rushing to cover those bearish bets as Tesla’s first-quarter results, due to be released on Feb. 24, draw closer.

The article is dated April 13. (No, not April 1 and it's Barron's, not The Onion.)

Was the financial press always so full of shite or just in the last few years? I never read it before I started buying TSLA.
 
650, very impressive for a day when the DOW closed down more than 300 points. Dunno why, but hey, good times.
TSLA has poor correlation with the Dow (that's the 'old' economy). However, the 'new' economy NASDAQ-100 was up 2% from intraday lows, lifted by AMZN +6.7% NFLX +7.0% and TSLA +13.6%

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In case you missed it, with today's gain of ~$67B, Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) has now recovered fully to their 52-wk highs (Mkt Cap 1.08T USD)

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Finally, TSLA isn't done for the day yet! Up over $20/share in After-hrs trading:

Closed: Apr. 13, 4:41 p.m. EDT
After hours 671.01 +20.06 (3.08%)

Feels like some Margin calls / covering going on...

CH33RS!

P.S. Study the Blade (advice).
 
Have to set the record straight, Elon did say “Model Y wiring is going to be 100meters” on Q1 2017 call.(starting at 36:40)

But that was before Model Y reveal, even before Model 3 ramp, and they seemed to be planning to build Y off a new platform.

Many things changed after that, and Model Y timeline has been fast tracked greatly, probably the reason they decided to use the same platform instead.

Or, probably the model Y eventually became CyberTruck. And they decided to lift Model 3 to fill the gap.

Yep, that was before the board convinced Elon to make the Model Y on the Model 3 platform instead of on an all new platform.
 
I told my wife about selling our TSLA stock to try to "time the market" and get in at a lower price.

I told her it looks as if that attempt has failed.

I said we should still buy it because over the long term it could still go up 10x.

She says in her terse Israeli tone, "Well sounds like you shouldn't have sold it, should you?" :oops:

And "you probably would have sold Apple stock before it took off too"

Ouch

As always, listen to your wife.
 
While you are probably right that Tesla can deliver all their MIC production locally, it's not necessarily their best option financially.
Lol, I'd like to stand behind you when you tell the Communist Party of China that the laws they changed so Tesla could build the 1st foreign owned Auto plant in the country, the $4-odd billion of below-market rate loans, the "police escort" given through the permitting process in record time, and the acceleration of Model Y plant construction will all result in China being screwed out of their premium domestic EVs so that Telsa can follow "their best option financially"...

WAY behind you. Like, out of range, behind you. :p

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Alas, it appears my speed reading after a couple of evening beers was more speed than reading.

But to address your actual comment around MBS defaults. 4 more months is probably about right for some junior notes, however I would expect the senior notes to last a little longer. Most securitisation structures have liquidity and general reserves/facilities that equal 1%-5% of the outstanding balance of the assets. Additionally many have features like "principal to pay interest" where the principal component of the mortgage repayment is "borrowed" to cover a shortfall in interest and repaid when arrears are caught up. These features should cover 1-2 years of senior note interest payments and avoid defaults in the short term. Ratings agencies test specifically for these sorts of cashflow stresses when assigning ratings as can be seen in the rather boringly named "Appendix 4: Cash Flow Analysis" of Moody’s Approach to Rating US RMBS Using the MILAN Framework (PDF warning)

The big questions are how long will the recession last and how fast will the recovery be. At the moment, most people should still have some reserves of cash to last a few months and they should still have equity in their houses as we haven't seen a decline in house prices as was seen in the 08-09 shock - which should make them less inclined to just mail back the keys. If the lockdown carries on i'd expect house prices to tank which, along with continued higher mortgage arrears, will have a much bigger impact on MBS.

Source: Have worked in bank treasuries structuring ABS/RMBS transactions.

Is your opinion still tge same when it cimes to CMBS? I saw that you mentioned RMBS so wanted to see your opinion on the specific area I am looking at.

I am guessing commercial entities will look at this as more of an opportunity to get out of long term leases instead of home owners trying to keep a roof over their head.
 
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650.95! What an incredible day. The chatter last Thu evening was how TSLA exploded after hours. Today made that look like nothing. The momentum continues after hours (for now).


I don't think Elon's goal has changed. He still wants the other auto companies to join him. The fastest possible transition to renewable energy remains his primary objective.

Some of us said early on C19 might put Tesla in a much stronger market position going forward. Seems like that bandwagon is loaded now. At the same time, this is a competitive business and Elon will attempt to capitalize. If domination is achievable, he'll take it.

I repeat: The day is coming (not soon) when the other auto companies will demand the government protect them and reign in Tesla.
"Who is John Galt?"
 
650.95! What an incredible day. The chatter last Thu evening was how TSLA exploded after hours. Today made that look like nothing. The momentum continues after hours (for now).


I don't think Elon's goal has changed. He still wants the other auto companies to join him. The fastest possible transition to renewable energy remains his primary objective.

Some of us said early on C19 might put Tesla in a much stronger market position going forward. Seems like that bandwagon is loaded now. At the same time, this is a competitive business and Elon will attempt to capitalize. If domination is achievable, he'll take it.

I repeat: The day is coming (not soon) when the other auto companies will demand the government protect them and reign in Tesla.

which govt ? Japan, China , Germany ... US will be too slow too react ... US OEMs likely will be gone or making ventilators full time o_O
 
While you are probably right that Tesla can deliver all their MIC production locally, it's not necessarily their best option financially.

European FCAU pooling deal should be worth at least $600M this year, but to get that money Tesla needs to sell the cars in Europe. If Fremont reopens soon enough the problem is solved, but if not... then MIC cars are more than badly needed. For example: If Tesla planned shipping 80,000 cars this year to Europe the deal ($600M) makes $7500 extra profit per car. It doesn't matter if those are produced in Fremont or in China, but Tesla is not so stupid they leave that kind of money on the table.

Of course, as discussed many times here, we don't know the exact details of the deal. It could be worse or better than estimated. How many cars exactly must be delivered to reach $600M or $800M pooling compensation? We simply don't know. Recently Ben Kallo estimated that the deal is $150-200M per quarter: "The Italian-American automaker reached an agreement with Tesla last spring that could cost Fiat Chrysler an estimated 1.8 billion ($2 billion) through 2023. That breaks out to about $150 million to $200 million per quarter and will pad Tesla’s profit margins starting in the first three months of this year, according to Baird analyst Ben Kallo."

I still hope you are right and Fremont reopens soon enough to handle all this, but just giving one more perspective.

Offsetting this, if FCAU is seeing an 80% drop in demand, then the number of EVs that they need to offset their carbon is .. a lot lower.
 
Lol, I'd like to stand behind you when you tell the Communist Party of China that the laws they changed so Tesla could build the 1st foreign owned Auto plant in the country, the $4-odd billion of below-market rate loans, the "police escort" given through the permitting process in record time, and the acceleration of Model Y plant construction will all result in China being screwed out of their premium domestic EVs so that Telsa can follow "their best option financially"...

WAY behind you. Like, out of range, behind you. :p

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You mean China is against exporting products made in China? They have trade surplus of USD 400 Billion. It's not harming any economy if products are exported. It's creating jobs, tax revenue, etc.

Of course, it could be part of the China-Tesla agreement that factory output is only for local markets. We'll see.
 
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I disagreed with this because I cannot find a single instance where Elon or ANYBODY from Tesla said this was going to be in the Model Y, let alone "on day 1" but I'm happy go be corrected.

There was a PATENT for this super duper wiring that I'm sure was made into an "article" on that eclectictrick site with a whisper-down-the-lane "ZOMG it's going to be in the Model Y fo sho!!!" but this was just the internet deciding it was going to be in there, not Tesla, not Elon.

He did say that wiring would be substantial less (can't remember the exact number). Hopefully, other respondents are right in that it hasn't materialized because the introduction of the a model Y was pulled forward and that particular wiring harness wasn't ready for prime time
 
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Now that the Shanghai plant is rolling, I wonder what other improvements we'll see in the near future? We Americans have a tendency to think we're the innovators and the Asians are just the manufacturers, but I would bet the staff that Elon and crew have hired over there are extremely smart as well and have the ability to see things from a different angle. I'm looking for some really surprising innovations and improvements in the future!
If you want to hire manufacturing talent and experience the right place is China. On the other hand for the right place for the best supply chain the best place is China. I wonder whether how much Tesla's improved access to the Chinese supply chain has improved Fremont supplies as well.
 
If you want to hire manufacturing talent and experience the right place is China. On the other hand for the right place for the best supply chain the best place is China. I wonder whether how much Tesla's improved access to the Chinese supply chain has improved Fremont supplies as well.
Indeed! Much synergy to be gained methinks...
 
You mean China is against exporting products made in China? They have trade surplus of USD 400 Billion. It's not harming any economy if products are exported. It's creating jobs, tax revenue, etc.

Of course, it could be part of the China-Tesla agreement that factory output is only for local markets. We'll see.
No, I mean China wants the cars for themselves. That's WHY they gave Tesla such a sweetheart deal.