Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[GrandEnigma]

Day trading Puts hasn't kept up with my overall daily losses, but it has allowed me to acquire a number of new shares. Feels a bit dirty, but whatever allows me to grow my position further...

 

[Nocturnal]

I always wanted to buy TSLA at the IPO price. Maybe I'll get my chance.

 

[AndrewZ]

Once tranche 12 vests, Elon personally gains no benefit from the CEO title (and has said he'd rather not be).

However, if they ousted him from the company entirely, he would have only one year to exercise his 304 million options with associated basis and tax sales (>150 million shares sold, give or take).

As to self awareness, Elon has previously commented that TSLA was overpriced and valuation was based on future performance (thus tied to interest rate comparison). So, from his point of view, this may be as expected.

I think Elon is right and this has very little to do with the social media platform that shall not be named, this is all macro stuff

Elon has been sounding alarms for months now, people just don't want to listen

 

[Drax7]

this interest rate lecture to explain the tesla break is
not credible or acceptable.

 

[Thekiwi]

Because TSLA shot up higher during the period of Quantitative Easing and money printing. Apple and the SPY shot up less, so they would presumably have a shorter distance to fall.

Even after all this, TSLA is still greatly outperforming Apple and the SPY since this began if you use the start of the pandemic as a milestone for when markets went ham.

So you are saying the massive positive increase in Tesla’s financial fundamentals since 2020 (revenue, net income, unit volume) - far exceeding that of Apple and the SPY - had nothing to do with the massive TSLA share price increase? It was all due to the fed?

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605306298207064065

I understand a lot of folks don’t like traders here, just posting this as I’ve found this person to be somewhat accurate.

We pretty much know tomorrow is going to be a drop, at least in the morning. Margin calls will again be going out in after hours today.

 

[NicoV]

And a recession isn't a guarantee by any stretch.

Belgium’s National Bank stated yesterday that they don’t expect a recession in Belgium (anymore): National Bank sees no signs of a recession in Belgium, but repeats concern about “untenable” public finances

 

[dl003]

weird how "the longer the base, the bigger the breakout" has turned into "the bigger the breakout, the bigger the crash."

 

[Cosmacelf]

Belgium’s National Bank stated yesterday that they don’t expect a recession in Belgium (anymore): National Bank sees no signs of a recession in Belgium, but repeats concern about “untenable” public finances

Wow, that’s pretty significant, I’d say.

 

[traxila]

Apparently the overly reductionist approach Elon has to free speech applies to his understanding of finance too. Or, he's simply obfuscating.

Of course, he's right for the market as whole and it quite obviously explains part of the decline, but definitely not all of it.

Maybe he should go back to his somewhat-less-stupid NPV equation from last week. At least NPV contemplates a change in the discount factor above-and-beyond changes in interest rates.

First principles are a great approach to engineering -- it doesn't work as well with human decision-making.

(And to use savings rates as the risk-free rate! Ugh. Even his own dumb argument would better served by using T-Bills like everyone else.)

I hope Tesla has parked its 20 billion in those guaranteed short term notes. Let's see, six month at 4.5 % gives you 225 million per quarter divided by share count gives us a pop of 0.07 per share fully diluted. Let's shave off my two cents and we got a whole nickel of earnings! Woohoo! Is that more than Amazon?

Come on, we can add that to a massive beat. Whaddya say?

 

[ZeApelido]

No offense but this guy is trolling us all now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605310307181608961

 

[gtrplyr1]

Elons financial advice … sheesh

This from a guy who just spent $150,000 to buy a ‘87 Toyota Camary with 300k miles and a bad transmission … aka … Twitter

If this reaming isn’t already bad enough we have to hear lame explanations from the person who caused a hell of a lot of the damage.

 

[tslagreen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605306298207064065

I understand a lot of folks don’t like traders here, just posting this as I’ve found this person to be somewhat accurate.

I will take any positivity regarding the stock price at this point. Thanks.

 

[Right_Said_Fred]

Tesla shares have lost 2/3 of their value year to date. Ouch.

YTD loss is -60,88%. 2/3 would be 66,66%.

 

[Knightshade]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605304935876280323

Elon: I see a path to Tesla being worth more than Apple and Saudi Aramco combined. (a 628% increase based on the #s when he said it on most recent earnings call)

Also Elon, mere weeks later: Well OF COURSE people are going to put their $ into high-single-digit-return bonds instead of shares in Tesla!



Just...wow.

 

[EVDRVN]

Good thing Tesla has Bitcoin.

 

[StealthP3D]

Successful investing has lot of parallels with religion
You must totally believe and you must have blind faith to go through extreme adversity

Those who lose faith do not have a chance.

Nobody’s perfect. You will always be wrong, but keep on working relentlessly toward your goal no matter what.
Lot of us became multimillionaires, holding Tesla, and next logical step would be to become billionaires or multibillionaires, but only for those who do not lose faith.

No guarantees and no investing advise.

Religion and productive investing have little in common. Faith is the belief in something without sufficient evidence. Investing works best when your thesis is based upon reality and supported by facts and reason. In other words, when you don't depend upon faith.

 

[gtrplyr1]

Hey Tim Cook …. Please buy a bunch of shares and seat a new board and ceo … while you are at it … ban Elon from coming 500 yards from any tesla office.

 

[traxila]

We pretty much know tomorrow is going to be a drop, at least in the morning. Margin calls will again be going out in after hours today.

Most brokers don't follow traditional margin calls nowadays. That 2PM stuff is mostly history. They will hit you when they please without warning.

 

[elasalle]

Uncle Leo .. on margin ...
Not sure how long Aunt Cathy can keep up with the purchases .....