You can install our site as a web app on your iOS device by utilizing the Add to Home Screen feature in Safari. Please see this thread for more details on this.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
In Europe they rely on people installing the Tesla app to start the charge and for billing. If Tesla is going to provide hardware to third parties to like EA or EVgo, this is a nonstarter, as it will need the ability to process payments on the stall, use NFC, etc.You mention these "issues", yet these are non-issues in Europe.
I think the reference is to state laws in California and some other states that just don't allow that. The laws governing these new charging stations are requiring actual credit card processing and physical screens directly on the charge stations themselves. They don't allow for it to be handled on car screens or phone app screens.Payment is managed by the backend.
There is no reason why drivers couldn't pay using, let's say, the Shell Recharge app
I think the reference is to state laws in California and some other states that just don't allow that. The laws governing these new charging stations are requiring actual credit card processing and physical screens directly on the charge stations themselves. They don't allow for it to be handled on car screens or phone app screens.
That's a whole other interesting discussion. The law seems to be written with the thinking that having the processing on the stations makes it more accessible to everyone. It doesn't require anyone to have a cell phone and use cellular data plans, and people don't have to sign up for apps and accounts. Those are true, but the card readers and screens on the stations are quite a maintenance problem and unreliability problem.
Kind of missed what I meant there. If multiple payment methods are available, like phone app OR a credit card reader and screen on the station, then sure, that works. I just meant you can't have it rely on just phone instead of having an interface on the station. This was in response to someone saying Tesla should just sell their equipment setup to other companies, and that won't pass, because they are just blank pedestals with no interface.Is that true? I thought the intent of requiring a reader & screen on the charger is so that you are not required to have a phone with an app. But do any laws/rules ban using a phone with app? I didn't think so.
Either way, Tesla's supercharger units do not pass muster.
It seems like Tesla has started opening the Supercharger network at select sites:
View attachment 897985
I checked in the Tesla app and couldn't get that site to show up in the charging your non-Tesla section of the app...
And it apparently works now: (Or maybe this tweet isn't from that location.)
There is a destination charger there that he could be using, but obviously the Tesla Find Us page mentions CCS compatibility...
I tried but couldn't get the QR code to scan from his picture.
Opening Superchargers to other EV manufacturers expands the control Tesla can exert over the EV market. It's a trivial task to manage the resource to maintain the (already overcrowded) standard of service for Tesla owners at Superchargers. There's no reason to suppose Tesla intends to open the Superchargers without control. Billing and access are already tightly controlled. Tesla need only add an automated towing service to make sure charging bays are vacated promptly.So, it appears that Tesla is slowly moving to open their Supercharger network to all brands of EV's worldwide.
On the surface, this is a logical way for Musk to enrich himself further on the EV boom, by charging other EV owners for both adaptors, and supercharger time.
I believe, however, that he's making a HUGE mistake. In a rapidly growing EV market, soon the ONLY thing that will differentiate themselves from the competition IS that very network. Those who have a bit of range anxiety purchase Tesla because of that vast network of readily available chargers. I know it's what swung my own purchase away from Audi, and to Tesla.
Take that advantage away, and create supercharging situations like those that exist in California, with wait times common, and you take away the one great advantage that Tesla has in the competition. With range from the competition now matching and exceeding Tesla, technology outstripping Tesla, better build quality, and vastly better interiors, the competition, especially Hyundai and VW are already offering superior EV's at better price points than Tesla, and the list will explode soon. Take away the exclusive supercharger network... and just watch what happens to that "Tesla Loyalty".
All my opinion, of course. Backed only by numerous conversations with other Tesla owners near me. Larger business empires have fallen on much smaller mis-steps.
That's why I only use NFC/tap to pay for gas. If the pump doesn't have NFC, I'll pay inside. But most of the time, I'll try to use only gas stations that I know have NFC at the pump.How are they preventing scumbags from placing skimmers on these machines and stealing the card information like what happens with some gas pumps?
The V4 design seems to have a longer cable, attached on the opposite side from v3 that appears to be more flexible for charge port position.A user arrives at a Supercharger site, backs into the charging bay (necessarily accessing the Supercharger pedestal without obstructing adjacent bays,) connects to a V4 Supercharger, ...
Per the video he posted later, he was just charging via the destination charger. His point was that it bills you through the app, and the billing part is already working (so "yes, you'll be able to pay when supercharging with your CCS car, when they enable that in the future")It seems like Tesla has started opening the Supercharger network at select sites:
There's one of those HPWCs at 32A with 1772 that I've used in California. It was free. I imagine Tesla intends to "sacrifice" these to whatever NACS rollout they're going to attempt to use to (a) comply with coming regulations for compatibility and network support and (b) promote NACS (because HPWC are L2 sitting beside DCFC at 10x the charge curve performance.)Still curious what Tesla means by "CCS compatibility" at the Hawthorne site from that post you reference
I saw elsewhere that it appears that Tesla is going to setup its first Open To The Public Supercharger near the design center in Hawthorne, I think that's where they introduced the V3 Supercharger, so there is some history there. They'll just add the locking CCS adapter to each of the charging posts so that people following the CCS Compatibility map in the Tesla app can come and charge their Non-Tesla EVs (other than Nissan Leafs of course).Still curious what Tesla means by "CCS compatibility" at the Hawthorne site from that post you reference