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To apply a little bit of perspective, the global sales of Classic MS between 2014 and Q1 2016 (I think the Facelift came in Q2) is just short of 100,000. So whilst 9 cars is not a reliable number, even if it were increased tenfold, I don’t think significant, statistically.
I posted a video of a 2017 P100D that has it's Supercharging speeds cappedHas thought been discussed about replacing drive /power with a newer Collision salvage vehicle? There can’t be that much disparity between a
‘15 - ‘18 model s body. Any batteries from ‘17 and on are NOT being capped right?
Yikes. It seems a more malignant problem with the 18650 cells.I posted a video of a 2017 P100D that has it's Supercharging speeds capped
I hadn’t heard that definition of Classic before. In UK it is more commonly used just to describe Pre Facelift Model S, and isn’t in any way related to whether the vehicle has AP or not. I still own one That was the interpretation I was using. I absolutely agree that trying giving numbers drawn from this, or any other, forum any significance is high risk. At best they are only a very wet finger in the air estimate, probably not even that. But if they are tenfold out, or even 100 fold out, the numbers do still seem small in comparison to the fleet size.Classics are the non-AP Model S’s, so 2012 to mid 2014 FYI. I used to own one
I just wondered if 9 people were reporting on the forums, there may be even more out there who aren’t on the forums. I suspect forum participants are the minority of owners. Kind of like when the AC odor thread started for the Model 3 then cabin air filters went on back order for weeks in Southern California. The few forum owners reporting the issues were just the tip of the iceberg vs the actual population of cars experiencing the issue (based on Tesla running out of parts regionally) Could be the opposite effect too, though. That is why I was curious.
Early in this thread I was chastised for saying this could be as bad as dieselgate……. look at how things have escalated since then.It's probably every car Tesla made and the reason they tried capping instead of fixing all along. A few people suggested that early on and as the impacted groups keep growing they're looking more and more correct.
I hadn’t heard that definition of Classic before
Owners of "Classic" Tesla Model S, cars made before auto-pilot and dual motor
If the EPA investigates it can still be Dieselgate... Tesla falsified our EPA test results using a software cheat, just like VW. Let's not report them to the EPA just yet - I think the NHTSA's safety audit should be sufficient to fix our cars without going that far and we can always revisit the option later as a last resort.Early in this thread I was chastised for saying this could be as bad as dieselgate……. look at how things have escalated since then.
Why he says “car is out of warranty”? It’s 100 D, so it can’t be 8 years old.
If you read and watch few years old Wk057 project, when he built home storage from salvaged Tesla batteries (this was before Powerwall) it verified bleed resistors for balancing. Of course it maybe different now.I have been paying attention and I haven't seen anyone describe the BMS secret sauce in any such detail.
I don't think anyone believes they haven't been and aren't still currently actively misleading us. The NHTSA thinks they were mislead, too. There is no doubt whatsoever Tesla mislead everyone intentionally when they tried to deny, excuse, minimize, and ultimately stop responding to the effects and cause behind 2019.16's downgrades. "Misleading" is probably the one thing everyone here agrees on. It's why there is so much discussion behind why we have been capped. Nobody believes Tesla - not even Tesla since they have changed t heir story several times already.I think few, if any, here believe Tesla intentionally set out to mislead anybody.
Why he says “car is out of warranty”? It’s 100 D, so it can’t be 8 years old.
But they’re lucky, because the get new (refurbished) batteries. Unless of course they’re out of warranty (have reached 60 kWh limit).Yeah, I think that is up to 9 owners reporting failed batteries with that firmware. Wonder what the fleetwide rate is. Most of them seem to be Classic owners.
Yes. But if you have limited SC rate, isn’t it obvious, that the cause is the battery?Only the battery and drive unit have an 8 year warranty they rest is mileage limited.
Last time I looked at Tesla warranty it excluded effects from exposure to gasses in the atmosphere, so if you feel bound by those terms, you might as well not bother submitting any claims!If you have a capped battery. isn't it obvious, that the cause is the battery?
Tesla says everything is out of warranty now. Even faulty screens on fully warranty covered new cars are "out of warranty"
Let me add that the advice Tesla gave you actually accelerates battery degradation, which they won't cover!I'm so annoyed by it because Tesla told me this nonsense about balancing and how I need to follow a certain procedure for 6 months to balance my pack. It's all hogwash and distraction from this problem discussed here.
That 250 kW rate will absolutely get nerfed as the batteries age. Porsche offers a disclaimer on its Taycan page that fast DC charging rates will drop over time as the battery ages. This is a disclaimer that was never on any of Tesla's marketing or order pages, and was NOT disclosed anywhere by Tesla when I purchased my car. I believe the marketing promise back then was 150 miles in 20 minutes-30 minutes. My car delivered on that promise until very recently, when Tesla decided to renege on that promise.I kinda wonder how many of these cool features have secret, undisclosed timers on them. We have seen it with DCFC and Ludicrous/WOT launches. I wonder if the folks using 250kW charging or that just bought the acceleration boost are in for a nasty surprise down the road.
Yet the man at the top just danced a jig on a Chinese stage to an all-time high stock value and successful opening of the China factory. His bad behavior apparently has no true ramifications. As an aside, I am absolutely stunned no ICE-oriented publications picked up on #chargegate and #batterygate. Not even the various dealer associations who can so easily use all of the service issues against Tesla. This is red meat for them, covered in sausage and with a sign that says "EAT ME". Where are the jackals?It just keeps getting worse and worse with Tesla!
It's nice to see you still driving a Tesla after all of the issues you've had. Tesla really owes people like yourself for creating so much positive media for them when they needed it the most. Now they piss on those who helped them get to where they are today. This is so upsetting to watch.Quite possibly, the firmware update updates the batteries BMS firmware directly, and it has a code built into it for no downgrades.
I believe Elon Musk makes intentional decisions to push the hardware beyond its capabilities in order to create marketing hype, knowing that he can (and will) take those representations back via software several years later, after the hypothetical has become reality and when he thinks nobody is looking. I truly believe this to be a silent part of Musk's plan and why Tesla is fighting this so hard. After all, if plaintiffs prevail Tesla will be forced to be more responsible and realistic with its marketing promises. What is Tesla, then, without the hype? It's just another EV manufacturer competing with a bunch of other EV manufacturers.I don't see the EPA thing happening. Unlike VW, I think few, if any, here believe Tesla intentionally set out to mislead anybody.