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Speculation: Model S/X being discontinued?
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No reason for Tesla to discontinue S & X.
They are both very profitable, with all the development costs long ago amortized.
They provide a Flagship offering for those wanting something more upscale than the basic 3 & Y.
Their all aluminum construction is great for relatively low volume production.
In addition to the standard Long Range offering, they also produce the World beating PLAID version for those wanting the ultimate in performance.
The S is an awsome grand touring vehicle with a super capable hatchback design. The X is the highest form for a family car, offering additional interior space and long distance travel.
Imagine they will continue to evolve, with continous improvement.
For World domination in the EV space, Tesla needs more vehicle configurations, not less.
Imagine that the upcoming Cyber Truck and smaller lower cost vehicles will round out the offerings.
They are both very profitable, with all the development costs long ago amortized.
They provide a Flagship offering for those wanting something more upscale than the basic 3 & Y.
Their all aluminum construction is great for relatively low volume production.
In addition to the standard Long Range offering, they also produce the World beating PLAID version for those wanting the ultimate in performance.
The S is an awsome grand touring vehicle with a super capable hatchback design. The X is the highest form for a family car, offering additional interior space and long distance travel.
Imagine they will continue to evolve, with continous improvement.
For World domination in the EV space, Tesla needs more vehicle configurations, not less.
Imagine that the upcoming Cyber Truck and smaller lower cost vehicles will round out the offerings.
CleanDemon
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Great vehicles to introduce new tech and features before determining if it’s ready for the masses.
If they did stop making the S and the X, they would soon introduce replacement models at similar prices. The S and X are aspirational like all high-end models in a company's lineup. They definitely do not want 3 or Y customers moving to some other brand to get a higher-end car.
Regarding the RHD. does anyone know how many RHD X and S are sold each year? My guess is the cost of manufacturing and support and stock RHD parts like the dash and so on just don't justify the profits made from a few units.
Regarding the RHD. does anyone know how many RHD X and S are sold each year? My guess is the cost of manufacturing and support and stock RHD parts like the dash and so on just don't justify the profits made from a few units.
Bigriver
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I agree that is how it should be but that’s not really how it has played out. There are many things introduced to the 3/Y first, and then the S/X 2020 refresh played catch up.
BitJam
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Elon Musk has said they are continuing to produce the S and X mostly for sentimental reasons.
techcrunch.com
Elon Musk: Model S, Model X production continues for 'sentimental reasons' | TechCrunch
Tesla continues to produce the Model S and Model X more for "sentimental reasons than anything else," CEO Elon Musk said Wednesday during a call with
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ucmndd
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“Elon Musk has said” is perhaps the worst persuasive sentence opener in the world.
He said this 4 years ago in response to an earnings call question in a transparent attempt to defend the declining sales of an aging platform and buying some time for a major refresh to come to market that was clearly well underway at that point.
So long as people buy them and they can be produced and sold at reasonable margins and quantities they’ll stick around for the foreseeable future. No particular reason to think otherwise. Certainly not because Elon said something 4 years ago.
But they are taking up manufacturing space that could be repurposed for other more profitable products. I could see the X being discontinued before the S.“Elon Musk has said” is perhaps the worst persuasive sentence opener in the world.
He said this 4 years ago in response to an earnings call question in a transparent attempt to defend the declining sales of an aging platform and buying some time for a major refresh to come to market that was clearly well underway at that point.
So long as people buy them and they can be produced and sold at reasonable margins and quantities they’ll stick around for the foreseeable future. No particular reason to think otherwise. Certainly not because Elon said something 4 years ago.
I wonder if they will design an 8 passenger product. Lowe end RWD mini van like. Add more motors and an adjustable height suspension. Now you have a luxury SUV that could run 10s 1/4 mile.
The X sells better than the S, and it was a product that Elon was heavily involved in specing/designing. Also, the S and X are made only in Fremont, so their impact on Tesla overall manufacturing capacity is localized.
ucmndd
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Is this really true? How do we know when Tesla doesn’t break down S/X sales?
It would be somewhat surprising to me, even with the USA’s SUV obsession.
Apparently, people in the forum know the profit margin and sales numbers of every Tesla car by model.
Tiger
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Tiger
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Registration data should show this. Now the question is, where is the registration data available at?
Destiny1701
22’ M3LR ‘DrkNite’/ 22’ MYP BliueRocket
Elon is nobtung if not creative and flamboyant with his line up.
S 3 X Y will thrive as long as he’s CEO. Or ‘techno king’ lol. S and X provide Tesla bragging rights…The hallmark of billionaires.
Practical or not, he won’t eliminate advancement to sustainable transport in any way.
S 3 X Y will thrive as long as he’s CEO. Or ‘techno king’ lol. S and X provide Tesla bragging rights…The hallmark of billionaires.
Practical or not, he won’t eliminate advancement to sustainable transport in any way.
Here is a link to carfigures. They, and other sites, breakdown the sales in the US and other countries based on registrations.
ucmndd
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So, those numbers are all over the map and there are clearly some data errors, but what they're reporting doesn't support the idea that the X outsells the S from what I'm seeing. Quite the opposite actually.
IndyToronto
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From economics and ROI, the volumes compared to M3 and MY are understandable. Because volumes are low (compared to M3 and MY), to amortize overhead, per car markups are going to be much higher. But there will be branding reason to keep the S and X of S3XY or all Tesla will have will be 3 Y (and C later). I wonder if they will ever have a common skateboard for all 4 at some point to reduce overhead of S & X further.“Elon Musk has said” is perhaps the worst persuasive sentence opener in the world.
He said this 4 years ago in response to an earnings call question in a transparent attempt to defend the declining sales of an aging platform and buying some time for a major refresh to come to market that was clearly well underway at that point.
So long as people buy them and they can be produced and sold at reasonable margins and quantities they’ll stick around for the foreseeable future. No particular reason to think otherwise. Certainly not because Elon said something 4 years ago.
I suspect MS and MX will stay premium because of the prestige of driving these aluminum body cars will always be around.
Hopefully, they will not be discontinued. I think many S/X buyers would ultimately leave the brand if they do, vs. replacing it with a 3/Y. I want the larger vehicle size the S and X provide and the larger screens, ventilated seats, higher-end interior, etc.
Prompted by this comment I did some checking. And you are correct their numbers are inconsistent. Thanks for pointing this out.
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