eisbock
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Anybody remember that thread speculating roll down windows?With that logic, let's just ditch the AC, power windows and radio.
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Anybody remember that thread speculating roll down windows?With that logic, let's just ditch the AC, power windows and radio.
With that logic, let's just ditch the AC, power windows and radio.
Yes, and the cost of a small second screen is maybe $50. Tesla is not cutting costs with this design choice.
I reckon the M3 will come with a 'space- like' steering wheel which will have some information display capability.According to Elon, not having a HUD or IC won't matter since the relevant information such as speed, range, distance, and time to destination will be shown with change in opacity thereby displaying it more prominently. Here's a crude image of that. Is that enough to solve the issue?
Elon Musk on Twitter
Let's hope not. That would be even harder to read than any other suggestion so far.I reckon the M3 will come with a 'space- like' steering wheel which will have some information display capability.
Has a list of standard features in the base model been announced yet?
I get what you're saying, but if a little extra signal wiring is that much of a problem, then perhaps Tesla shouldn't be making the Model 3. I would expect an automaker whose cars are based on electricity (read: wires) would not have in issue with a few more wires. Range detriment would be minuscule. Like 1/10 of a mile minuscule.Plus wiring, wiring duct work, the reworking/redesign of the dash, the CPU to power this new screen, and the weight all of this would add to a vehicle they're trying to squeeze every bit of range out of that they can.
I get what you're saying, but if a little extra signal wiring is that much of a problem, then perhaps Tesla shouldn't be making the Model 3. I would expect an automaker whose cars are based on electricity (read: wires) would not have in issue with a few more wires. Range detriment would be minuscule. Like 1/10 of a mile minuscule.
I think the cab-forward design is the biggest driver for the design choices they made. In the reveal Elon talked about how they moved the dash forward to gain passenger space. I bet the dash is super low compared to other cars because of that.
According to Elon, not having a HUD or IC won't matter since the relevant information such as speed, range, distance, and time to destination will be shown with change in opacity thereby displaying it more prominently. Here's a crude image of that. Is that enough to solve the issue?
Elon Musk on Twitter
Both would be nice...Model 3's central speedo is to the left (or assumedly right on RWD) of center.
BUT... Mini had a dash computer screen behind the steering wheel for a digital speed display.
According to Elon, not having a HUD or IC won't matter since the relevant information such as speed, range, distance, and time to destination will be shown with change in opacity thereby displaying it more prominently. Here's a crude image of that. Is that enough to solve the issue?
Elon Musk on Twitter
mod note: 6 posts moved to snippiness.
I think in general, making a $35k EV base model is probably pretty tough and can quickly become "death by a thousand cuts" with regards to cost. They probably had a lot of things they'd like to put in, and had to get rid of them all to get down to their price point. people have made excellent points that it's not just the screen cost (maybe $50?) but the TIME it takes to run the wire it, and how much that could potentially slow things down. You're talking about both paid human time, and time where that part of the assembly line isn't working on the next car. If at the end of the day, they can make 2 extra cars at 20% margins/avg sale price of $42k, that's potentially $16,000 lost that day just b/c people wanted a (potentially) antiquated and useless 2nd screen. These are obviously completely made-up numbers and there is probably a much bigger cumulative effect with everything they didn't put in, but you get the picture. Look at some of the articles about how fast he wants the line to move by the time they do Factory 1.0.I get what you're saying, but if a little extra signal wiring is that much of a problem, then perhaps Tesla shouldn't be making the Model 3. I would expect an automaker whose cars are based on electricity (read: wires) would not have in issue with a few more wires. Range detriment would be minuscule. Like 1/10 of a mile minuscule.
Right, and now you have to factor in all the lost sales due to a horrifically simplistic design. I'd say adding a few extra bucks to the cost of a car is more important than not selling a car at all. Polls around the globe right now reflect exactly my sentiments. Tesla is losing potential sales by the thousands as we speak.I think in general, making a $35k EV base model is probably pretty tough and can quickly become "death by a thousand cuts" with regards to cost. They probably had a lot of things they'd like to put in, and had to get rid of them all to get down to their price point. people have made excellent points that it's not just the screen cost (maybe $50?) but the TIME it takes to run the wire it, and how much that could potentially slow things down. You're talking about both paid human time, and time where that part of the assembly line isn't working on the next car. If at the end of the day, they can make 2 extra cars at 20% margins/avg sale price of $42k, that's potentially $16,000 lost that day just b/c people wanted a (potentially) antiquated and useless 2nd screen. These are obviously completely made-up numbers and there is probably a much bigger cumulative effect with everything they didn't put in, but you get the picture. Look at some of the articles about how fast he wants the line to move by the time they do Factory 1.0.
This is definitely something to think about. I'd imagine they are hoping that the word of mouth of how awesome autonomous mode is and the car in general is enough to overcome any negativity about the lack of a 2nd screen. Model S had to overcome some of the same general struggles (different issues than a screen) and was able to become a huge success for them. I think the same with happen with the 3, initial screen disappointment or not. Once people start taking their friends on rides around town in autonomous mode (Note to Tesla: better get cracking on this) the reaction will be the same as people who drove in S's on autopilot on the highway. Having taken a couple of roadtrips in one, it changed my view of roadtrips and travel, and I think full autonomy (in most situations, probably lvl4 for awhile) will continue to change that dynamic for people.Right, and now you have to factor in all the lost sales due to a horrifically simplistic design. I'd say adding a few extra bucks to the cost of a car is more important than not selling a car at all. Polls around the globe right now reflect exactly my sentiments. Tesla is losing potential sales by the thousands as we speak.