Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2016

[tanner]

TSLA is high beta

Seriously, that's unfortunate. At least it looks like we found bottom (for now).

 

[Johan]

Seriously, that's unfortunate. At least it looks like we found bottom (for now).

Not unfortunate at all. Would you rather have TSLA move like GM or Ford or Walmart or some other low beta stock? It goes both ways you know...

 

[tanner]

Apparently during the opening hour this morning some shareholders have chosen to ignore my suggestion.

As you wisely demonstrate, that strategy ultimately defeats the setup for a true short squeeze. The solution is to set no sell limit at all. If no one sells, the shorts are squeezed, squashed and slain. The shorts would have to bid astronomical prices to buy back and return the shares that they have borrowed. All the while their brokers would be hollering at them with margin calls.

The lurking question would be: at what level would otherwise strong longs be enticed to sell? Once they start weakening and sell, the price would start to come down, but likely remain at a rather high level if a significant number of shareholders choose to sit out the process. If Tesla shareholders do remain steadfast during the coming days, things could get quite interesting.

^^ This? I never sold

 

[tanner]

Not unfortunate at all. Would you rather have TSLA move like GM or Ford or Walmart or some other low beta stock? It goes both ways you know...

True and no, I'd rather have it go one way ^

But no, in all honesty, it's just irritating when stupid investors and algobots (plus the ever-annoying shorts) cause keep the SP from being where it should be.

 

[CALGARYARSENAL]

Barclays was out making fun of Tesla today as well. Lemmings.

 

[tanner]

Barclays was out making fun of Tesla today as well. Lemmings.

Seems like it's shots at Adam Jonas too, haha... Baboons.

 

[Johan]

Barclays was out making fun of Tesla today as well. Lemmings.

At least it was semi funny.

 

[Svetlin]

Barclays was out making fun of Tesla today as well. Lemmings.

I think they are making fun of Adam Jonas

 

[MitchJi]

We don't want that?! If it happens due to institutions pulling in their shares to vote that should take at least a day or two? It might be a distraction for the company but it will have a huge impact for shareholders and option holders that sell and repurchase after the peak. This is the ST Thread isn't it?

If we get to something like $300, which seems conservative my relatively small number of calls will increase by over $200k! If that's merely a distraction please bring it on . I believe that will happen eventually, but sooner is better for options plus that would ratchet up the value of my portfolio.

Short squeeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Short squeezes are more likely to occur in stocks with small market capitalization and small floats, although can involve large stocks and billions of dollars, as happened in October 2008 when a short squeeze temporarily drove the shares of Volkswagen on the Xetra DAXfrom €210.85 to over €1000 in less than two days, briefly making it the most valuable company in the world.[2][3]

Perfect time to set trailing stops !

 

[drinkerofkoolaid]

Very interesting how hundreds of articles were published and promoted for all of yesterday about a non existent investigation, but there have been almost no articles published this morning. Also, less than 600k shares have been traded.

An inquiry is not the same thing as an investigation, yet no-one has written anything stating this.

 

[austinEV]

We don't want that?! If it happens due to institutions pulling in their shares to vote that should take at least a day or two? It might be a distraction for the company but it will have a huge impact for shareholders and option holders that sell and repurchase after the peak. This is the ST Thread isn't it?

If we get to something like $300, which seems conservative my relatively small number of calls will increase by over $200k! If that's merely a distraction please bring it on . I believe that will happen eventually, but sooner is better for options plus that would ratchet up the value of my portfolio.

You are right, the first scenario is a good "problem" to have. But the second is better since you don't have to sweat an exit point. And for what it is worth, I don't think we will ever see the first but will see the second. Unfortunately it realistically might be 2-3 years away. The good thing is that it is still a great investment. If we figure near zero growth in 2015 (in the books), 2016, 2017 and then "the great lurch" in 2018 that still gives you a compounded annual growth rate of 73% on your investment:

This is why we should all just be buy-and-holding, since now the timing is harder to predict. increasingly I am thinking that the next big revaluation will happen with financially successful model 3, which is a very high bar indeed. The market (might) shrug off M3 releases, 6 deliveries, good reviews, 3 quarters of "we promise M3 is ramping" etc. There will come a quarter with startling top line revenue or profits or something that will provide the big jolt. OR the market decides to give TM some credit and it happens earlier on one of the other milestones.

 

[X Yes?]

Lower price for model X confirms production ramp is completed ,
Which implies they are above breakeven point .
To maximize utility , produce as long as marginal revenue
Is above marginal cost .

Seriously, is anyone still clinging to the robust demand theory?

 

[drinkerofkoolaid]

It's possible this isn't significant, but has anyone else noticed that Yahoo's new template for Yahoo Finance has made it basically unusable?

 

[tanner]

Seriously, is anyone still clinging to the robust demand theory?

"Why on EARTH do you think there's a X60D? Musky Boy and Co. have run out of things to sell now that all the rich hippies have bought Teslas" - every short on wall street.

 

[tanner]

It's possible this isn't significant, but has anyone else noticed that Yahoo's new template for Yahoo Finance has made it basically unusable?

Yes, saw it yesterday... Annoying and impossible to see headlines.

 

[drinkerofkoolaid]

The WSJ finally realized Tesla is now selling a 60kwh Model X, but clearly doesn't understand why it's a good thing. Don't bother reading the article. Includes no new information.

 

[tanner]

And we're sideways....

 

[dirtyofries]

Elon blocked Fortune Magazine on Twitter. He's having one of his days.

 

[EinSV]

Barclays was out making fun of Tesla today as well. Lemmings.

I mean, god forbid analysts actually do do their job and .... oh I don't know ... let's say try to estimate how the best positioned player (Tesla Energy) will fare in what Citigroup estimates to be a $400B stationary storage market? Nah, let's make Martian jokes instead of thinking about complicated, crazy stuff like that.

Analysts were the same in 2012. But my guess is that many of them will jump on the bandwagon once they see on the ground results, just like they did in 2013.

 

[tanner]

Elon blocked Fortune Magazine on Twitter. He's having one of his days.

Hahahhaha! Classic, Fortune sucks.