SwedishAdvocate
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So would you say those pacifists are making "the world a better place" when it comes to the situation in Ukraine?
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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So would you say those pacifists are making "the world a better place" when it comes to the situation in Ukraine?
X Fan
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Flurry of equipment being promised is perhaps tied to expected Ru offensive (won’t get there in time but good PR for western governments):
www.telegraph.co.uk
Russia prepares 2,000 tanks and 300,000 troops for ‘huge invasion’ in Donbas
The attack is expected to coincide with the one-year anniversary of Vladimir Putin's launch of the war in Ukraine on February 24
www.telegraph.co.uk
SageBrush
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I would argue that all armchair warriors are some version of pacifists. Or something less complimentary.
SwedishAdvocate
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In other news Trent telenko had a bizarre thread a few days ago with completely wrong conclusions on truck logistics. Makes me wonder about his background. Basic argument was trucks with pup trailers is a sign of weakness where In reality they are the gold standard in commercial logistics.
The problem with this in a war zone is that the enemy can pock mark the runway every day with a missile loaded with cluster munitions. The runway can be fixed quickly, but it won't be as smooth as a pristine runway and planes with weaker landing gear will be more likely to have landing gear failures operating from such a field.
Any halfway competent air force in a war zone will use dispersal and have the planes hidden in reventments.
If the world was 100% pacifists, it would be a pretty peaceful place, but all it takes is one sociopath to mess it all up.
Flurry of equipment being promised is perhaps tied to expected Ru offensive (won’t get there in time but good PR for western governments):
Russia prepares 2,000 tanks and 300,000 troops for ‘huge invasion’ in Donbas
The attack is expected to coincide with the one-year anniversary of Vladimir Putin's launch of the war in Ukraine on February 24
The more in depth stories have all said the serious offensive equipment like tanks were not going to start arriving for a few months.
According to ISW, the Russians are conducting a full scale offensive around Kremina, but it isn't going well. ISW reports the Russians have about 100,000 troops in this operation. It's doubtful the Russians have enough logistics to support a second offensive.
Telenko is a retired US civilian employee of the DoD. He was involved in military logistics, ensuring US Army equipment was repaired and fit for service.
I haven't seen the thread you're referring to, so I can't comment.
I think you are making too much of the landing gear. Ukraine assuredly knows all the strengths and weakness of what is available and they are asking for f16 and the choice seems as obvious as asking for leopards, despite the leopards1 and 2 obvious shortcomings it is the better choice right now. Same with f16. Availability and munitions.
I read the thread. I think he meant "not good" as meaning not good for Ukraine. It means the Russians have finally figured out how to move more supply per vehicle.
petit_bateau
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A world with fewer weapons, and those weapons in responsible mature disciplined hands subject to checks & balances and proper accountability to the rule of law, would be vastly preferable. That's not pacifism, that's reality. Unfortunately most so-called "pacifists" don't think through all of the issues in the imperfect world we live in, and that leads to some rather strange positions at moments like these.
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I wonder how much thought went into getting Orban into that specific spot for this particular photo angle. Well done to those responsible.
SwedishAdvocate
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Paywalled...
"Ukraine Latest: Kyiv Says Russian Missiles Cross Part of Romania
10 februari 2023 kl. 08:30 CETUpdated on10 februari 2023 kl. 10:59 CET
Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from the Black Sea on Friday morning crossed the airspace of Moldova and a corner of Romania - a NATO member - before entering western Ukraine, Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s chief commander, said on Telegram. Romania’s defense ministry said it wasn’t confirming the incident. [..."
www.bloomberg.com
"Ukraine Latest: Kyiv Says Russian Missiles Cross Part of Romania
10 februari 2023 kl. 08:30 CETUpdated on10 februari 2023 kl. 10:59 CET
Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from the Black Sea on Friday morning crossed the airspace of Moldova and a corner of Romania - a NATO member - before entering western Ukraine, Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s chief commander, said on Telegram. Romania’s defense ministry said it wasn’t confirming the incident. [..."
Ukraine Latest: Kyiv Says Russian Missiles Cross Part of Romania
Russia launched its biggest barrage of missile attacks so far this year against Ukraine after President Volodymyr Zelenskiy completed a visit to European capitals, where he sought more weapons to fend off Vladimir Putin’s invasion.
www.bloomberg.com
lolachampcar
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Sometimes, running from a fight intensifies the threat and widens the fight.
Most times, running towards a fight lessens the confrontation and may even prevent a fight.
Einstein would not have lasted long in the jungle.
Russia has proven to be a very dangerous petulant child. Anyone who has raised children knows the sooner you deal with the problem the better and, if you stick your head in the sand and do not deal with the problem, there is a risk you could raise a sociopath.
Most times, running towards a fight lessens the confrontation and may even prevent a fight.
Einstein would not have lasted long in the jungle.
Russia has proven to be a very dangerous petulant child. Anyone who has raised children knows the sooner you deal with the problem the better and, if you stick your head in the sand and do not deal with the problem, there is a risk you could raise a sociopath.
Sorry, but after the big show in London the British start to realise that they have exceedingly little to offer. After successive budget cuts the RAF is just a shadow of its former self and even the training regime of their own pilots has been cut to the bone.
As with the tanks there are some countries that love to showboat and others that are more discreet.
As to targeting civilians, that's extremely nasty and most likely a war crime, but may I just point out that both the US and the UK have also employed this policy of terror bombings in the past?
petit_bateau
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More evidence sanctions working (though as usual, slowly)
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www.reuters.com
Russia to cut oil output by 500,000 bpd in March
Russia will cut oil production by 500,000 barrels per day, or around 5% of output , in March, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said on Friday, after the West imposed price caps on Russian oil and oil products.
www.reuters.com
SwedishAdvocate
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Paywalled...
"Ukraine Latest: Kyiv Says Russian Missiles Cross Part of Romania
10 februari 2023 kl. 08:30 CETUpdated on10 februari 2023 kl. 10:59 CET
Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from the Black Sea on Friday morning crossed the airspace of Moldova and a corner of Romania - a NATO member - before entering western Ukraine, Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s chief commander, said on Telegram. Romania’s defense ministry said it wasn’t confirming the incident. [..."
Ukraine Latest: Kyiv Says Russian Missiles Cross Part of Romania
Russia launched its biggest barrage of missile attacks so far this year against Ukraine after President Volodymyr Zelenskiy completed a visit to European capitals, where he sought more weapons to fend off Vladimir Putin’s invasion.
Seems to have been incorrect...
"Romania says a Russian missile didn’t enter its airspace, countering a Ukrainian claim."
Also paywalled...
Romania says a Russian missile didn’t enter its airspace, countering a Ukrainian claim.
Ukrainian officials said that two Russian missiles crossed into the airspace of Moldova and Romania before entering Ukraine.
The US tried very hard to stay out of the two biggest wars of the 20th century, but got drawn in anyway. If the US had a reasonable sized military in 1939 and jumped into the war in Europe when Poland was invaded, Germany would have been stopped before it could get very far. In 1939 the US Army was smaller than Finland's and the US had just started rearming.
Every power that could bomb civilian populations has done it. Germany did it to several countries, but is best remembered for bombing civilians in England.
The RAF determined that daylight precision bombing of targets in Europe, so it employed nighttime bombing where the best they could hope for was hitting somewhere in a city. The USAAF put in a massive effort to do precision daylight bombing in Europe with less than ideal results. The problem was the Norden bombsight was nowhere near as good as the US claimed and a tendency for creep back. Normally the lead bomber's bombardier would try to aim for the target and the follow on bombers would try to release their bombs over the same point. But the other crews being flown by human beings, and German flak being very intense, there was a tendency to release the bombs as early as possible. The next bomber in line would release a few seconds early, followed by the next bomber releasing a little early, etc. which led to the bombs being scattered a long ways from the target factory.
Over Japan the US tried high altitude precision bombing with B-29s only to find the jet stream is so strong over Japan the bombs would get blown unpredictably off course on the way down and they rarely hit the target. So Curtis LeMay stripped the bombers of their turrets to save weight and sent them in low at night. They did to Japan what the RAF did to Germany.
Over Japan the B-29s did manage to knock out a lot of Japanese industry because they managed to destroy entire cities. The fire storm that hit Tokyo did more destruction than the nuclear attacks.
Over Europe strategic bombing was not very effective at knocking out industry. Where strategic bombers were most effective was in the rare occasions when they were used to bomb battlefields. The 8th Air Force was called on to help the US break out at Normandy in Operation Cobra. They hit the German force concentrations and did massive damage. Oberst Hans von Luck was in command of that sector that day and he details in his book the mess he tried to pull together as the Americans started to break out. He came across Tigers that had been flipped on their backs by the bombing.
The strategic bomber forces rarely agreed to support ground forces. They saw their mission as crippling industry and they didn't want to be tied to the ground forces. They fought hard to be seen as an independent force.
I agree about the war crimes aspect, but bombing civilian areas has been proven over and over again to be counter productive when the civilians feel that their side has the ability to fight back. There were some times early in the war when bombing civilian targets drove an enemy towards capitulation, but it was both when the technique was new and it was against opponents that were outmatched to begin with.
Similarly the Sirens of Jericho on the Ju-87 Stuka struck fear into enemies during this time, but they were removed around the time of the Battle of Britain because they quit causing fear, caused added drag, and tended to alert anti-aircraft gunners you were coming if they weren't already alerted.
The US was dumb enough to repeat the same mistake with civilian bombing in Vietnam. Hopefully the US won't do it again, but who knows what the future holds.
The Roosevelt administration spent 4 years preparing and planning for wwii. Every calculation was carefully weighed and the army and air force and navy were being redesigned for the coming war. It was considered completely unavoidable. WWI- yes avoided til we couldn’t. WWII- not the case at all but this is not really the thread for historical retrospective of events 90 years ago.
"Russian troops likely fled and abandoned at least 30 mostly intact armoured vehicles in a single incident after a failed assault," Britain's defence ministry said in a daily briefing.
Russia likely lost dozens of armoured vehicles near Ukraine's Vuhledar: UK
bobby g
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In some cases conflict may be avoided but as in the case where Ghandi sent a letter asking the Herr Hitler not do what he was starting to do - a waste of breath and ink
petit_bateau
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Moldova Prime Minister resigns - fine lady (Gavrili), has done great work tackling corruption etc. Not clear exactly why she is stepping down. The President (Sandu) another excellent lady will propose replacement. Moldova is very fortunate to have such capable ladies at this particular time. They are definitely not fans of Putin are good solid technocrats who are very anti-corruption.
www.euronews.com
www.themoscowtimes.com
(By the way the reports of the Russian cruise missile crossing Romanian airspace are wrong. The cloest point of approach (CPA) was approx 35km. May have crossed Moldovan airspace at CPA, perhaps the Transnistria section).
*** EDIT - TO ADD see link below with more info
www.theguardian.com
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EDIT - and this also may interest readers here, see esp description of news management for Putin
www.theguardian.com
Moldova names new pro-EU prime minister after government collapses
The government’s collapse comes just days after Gavrilita met with European Council President Charles Michel and European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels in order to discuss Moldova’s EU membership.
www.euronews.com
Moldova Accuses Russia of Destabilization Attempts - The Moscow Times
Moldova's intelligence service said Thursday that Russia was acting to destabilize the former Soviet country, following comments by Ukraine's president that Kyiv had intercepted a plan by Moscow.
www.themoscowtimes.com
(By the way the reports of the Russian cruise missile crossing Romanian airspace are wrong. The cloest point of approach (CPA) was approx 35km. May have crossed Moldovan airspace at CPA, perhaps the Transnistria section).
*** EDIT - TO ADD see link below with more info
Moldovan PM resigns blaming ‘crises caused by Russian aggression’
Pro-western Natalia Gavrilita quits as Russian ambassador summoned over apparent violation of airspace
www.theguardian.com
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EDIT - and this also may interest readers here, see esp description of news management for Putin
Marina Ovsyannikova says she still fears for her life after ‘chaotic’ escape to France
Former Russian TV editor, who was under house arrest, described her journey across Europe last October
www.theguardian.com
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