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I think you are overstating things here. CCS already has 200A in an approved specification and as you noted that probably peaks in reality around 70 kW for today's typical packs but it's not horrible, especially for local and regional metro charging. One of the station vendors, Delta, says they can support up to 240A uncooled for a typical peak rate of around 85 kW which is about the same as Tesla's original 90 kW peak.
There appears to be a clear path to 350A (with perhaps up to 400A for a period of time) via liquid cable and plug cooling for heavily used interstate charging sites that would come quite close to what Tesla can do today (around 120 kW) while keeping charge voltages in today's typical 350-400V range.
The CCS plugs and sockets are already rated for at least 1,000V so that provides a clear path to future packs and stations that can realistically charge at a peak of 140-170 kW without cooling or 250 kW with cable and plug cooling. With existing lithium ion pack technology that should scale up charging for 150 kWh packs for cars with 400-450 miles of range all while retaining backwards compatibility with old 24 kW local charging stations.
The only thing GM can do now is cut the price of Bolt to make the competition more even. It is too late for them to change the design or anything significant.
I read the Model 3 thread over at the Volt forum, and all I can say is this:LOL, I am a regular member on the Volt forums as well as here. Its 180 degrees over there towards the 3 vs here.
Well, hey, that was a reasonable worry... when the Roadster came out. I was seriously worried about this back in 2009, which is why I was far from the first to reserve a Model S.LOL, I am a regular member on the Volt forums as well as here. Its 180 degrees over there towards the 3 vs here. They aren't confident in Teslas ability to survive and worry that buying a 3 will make them end up with a car they cant service if Tesla goes under.
That's fair. I figure the Bolt will definitely have a market: people who want a moderately-priced *hatchback* specifically. Great! I think the market for electric cars is going to completely replace the market for gasmobiles, so I think there's room for Bolt and Model 3.They also much, much, much prefer hatchbacks so the 3 isn't even an option for many of them.
The worst thing about this for CCS is that the Supercharger coverage is actually a *superset* of the CCS coverage. Which incidentally means Tesla has no reason to make a CCS adapter yet.
The only thing GM can do now is cut the price of Bolt to make the competition more even. It is too late for them to change the design or anything significant.
Actually, I had never heard of 11 kW CCS stations before you mentioned them. How many of them exist?The fact that there are a significant number of 11 kW and 24 kW stations out there is part of the mess.
I suspect the Bolt EV is wired internally for 200A charging but they haven't released those details yet.Do you see the Bolt taking 350 amps? Tesla's Model S 70 takes 370 amps today. Does CCS > 200 amps require the Porsche Mission-E to ship to become somewhat reality? The Nissan Leaf 60 kWh, the upcoming i3 30 kWh, the Hyundai Ioniq 30 kWH certainly are not going to push that envelope.
Agree. Bolt and Model 3 are not even in the same league.I think the Bolt looks great but in the class of a Honda Fit, where the Model 3 is competitive with (if not superior to) the BMW 3xx, Audi A4 etc - a different class of car. The biggest differentiator though is the Supercharger network. Yes there are a lot of Chademo and some CCS sites but they typically have one charger (not 6 or 8 or 10) and given that no one 'owns' their network you can't depend on them working when you get there. We've had a couple problems with our Tesla's over the last 3 years but the many Superchargers we have visited have always been ready.
Like Elon said many times before. Car manufacturers around the world are basically doing the absolute minimum in EV programs, so that they can pass gov's green regulations in order to keep selling ICE cars.They could commit to building a hassle-free nationwide fast charging infrastructure at convenient travel locations (IOW, NOT at dealerships). That would go a long, LONG way to closing the gap (even though Superchargers are faster). CCS can talk to the car, it could validate a Bolt VIN and allow free charging, while requiring payment by non-Chevys.
What GM "isn't getting" is that the car is just one piece of the puzzle. Taking responsibility for delivering the whole ecosystem is what they're having trouble wrapping their minds around. The whole experience from purchase, to operation, to upgrades, to repairs needs revamping, and the dealers are an albatross around the neck in that story...
LOL, I am a regular member on the Volt forums as well as here. Its 180 degrees over there towards the 3 vs here. They aren't confident in Teslas ability to survive and worry that buying a 3 will make them end up with a car they cant service if Tesla goes under. They also much, much, much prefer hatchbacks so the 3 isn't even an option for many of them.