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    Used LR MS 17 or LR M3 21?

    Definitely get a new Model 3 (better yet a Model Y), much better battery technology with better thermal tolerance. Model Y interior space is not that different compare to a Model S, but Model Y is at a much lower cost. Also, there are way too many horror stories about buying used car through...
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    [Vote]- Will you buy Hummer EV instead of Cybertruck or Rivian?

    Will you buy Hummer EV instead of Cybertruck or Rivian? Please vote.
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    RWD LR Order?

    I thought Elon already said on Twitter in summer that LR RWD will be produced by the end of the year.
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    274 miles of range at 100%

    Once every two months, you should charge your car to 100%, so the battery management system can re-calibrate and calculate the battery % and miles more accurately.
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    ABRP Prices update

    Elon has stated before, even when electricity production is 100% produced by coal, driving an electric car would still minimize the CO2 impact because electric car is much more efficient. EV has the equivalent of 120 to 150 miles per gallon, while gasoline car is at 40 miles per gallon at best...
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    2021 Model 3 and differences from 2020

    When you take delivery of your car and found out that it is not the 2021 model like your sales advisor stated, I guess worst case is that you reject the delivery and show the sales advisor email which states the 2021 model?
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    ABRP Prices update

    Even if supercharging is the same price as filling up a gasoline car, would you rather give that let's say 30 dollars to Tesla or oil companies? Do you want Tesla to use your 30 dollars to accelerate the world to sustainable energy? Let alone the air pollution and CO2 it generate with gasoline...
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    2021 Model 3 and differences from 2020

    EMEA stands for "Europe Middle East Africa". So that means North American markets are getting European Model 3 headlights?
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    Help. Placed order and I'M TOO EXCITED

    Setup and install home charging equipment before delivery. Recommend setting up 240v 14-50 outlet at your home, then use the mobile charger that comes with your car to charge everyday. The $500 Gen 3 Wall charger has way too many problems now to be recommended.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    It is possible that he want to get rid of current inventory before a possible future refresh. But it is also possible that the cost of manufacturing a Model S has come down so much that he decided to offer good price to make it more affordable for everyone. I personally still think that the...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    I always hear that Carmax offer better trade-in price for Tesla...
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    After too long on the sidelines, I’m about to become an owner

    Not sure what exactly is defined as Raven. But the latest development in Model S is getting the "-G" battery for the better cooling and faster supercharging. You can see it at 11:45 of this video.
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    After too long on the sidelines, I’m about to become an owner

    Just curious, why you wouldn't consider getting Model 3 or Y? They are less expensive with newer battery technology.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    I thought the statistic of "60% of new car sales is EV" is only for the month of September. Which is heavily screwed and exaggerated because Tesla and some other manufacturer always deliver a huge amount of car in the last month of each quarter (but almost no car in the first two months of the...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Wow, how did you negotiate with Mercedes to buy that used S class for $61000 (while they list it at $114000) ? That's almost 50% off what they ask for.
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    I want the new 3.

    Keep your LR RWD. It is the longest range of any Model 3 out there. Range is KING in any EV.
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    2021 Model 3 Official

    that's a good point. I want to know why too.
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    My Two Weeks Old Tesla Model 3 Depreciated by 10% Overnight

    EV car pricing will ALWAYS trend downward for years and years to come as cost of battery comes down. (battery is the biggest cost component of an EV). If you want the best EV with the best range and lowest cost possible, wait another 8 to10 years before you buy one. That's what I am doing...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    I heard that Tesla removed the 7 day return policy just today. So I guess one less option to resolve this.
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    12v battery issue, Tesla unsatisfactory response

    I never understand why Tesla couldn't engineer the big 75 kwh to charge up the 12v battery when low voltage is detected. Or just drop the 12v battery altogether, and only use the 75 kwh battery. Is it really that hard?
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    2021 Model 3 and differences from 2020

    No mention of heated steering wheel and heat pump in the official specs/ feature list though. I so wish that both of them are really happening.
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    2021 Model 3 Official

    No mention of heated steering wheel and heat pump in the official specs/ feature list though. I so wish that both of them are really happening.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Yea, I heard about no VAT for EV in Norway. Actually, i am surprised that many people in Norway are still buying ICE cars. There are only 333,000 EV on the road in Norway (only 53,669 are Tesla as of Today), less than 25% of existing car fleet is EV in Norway. Even with the highest gasoline...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Wow, $38k for a 5 year old Mercedes S class. Now any middle class or new college grad can afford a Mercedes S class.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    So Tesla is trying to make it as hard as possible to sell their used car inventory? Not sure what Tesla is thinking. Anyone would just buy new at lower cost with new warranty.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    which website you looked at for used Mercedes?
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    I think Tesla pricing strategy is start with a super high price, so it limit the demand in order to match the initial low production rate, and to maxmize profit margin in the beginning. Then once the production ramps up (and cost per vehicle is lower), the price have to come down lets say $3000...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    It is expensive to buy anything in Europe. Tax rate for car in US is usually in the 10 to 11% range, depending on which states. New Jersey and one or two more states actually waive any tax for electric vehicle. Although, I have noticed that Tesla Germany pricing is a LOT lower than France...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Tesla most likely have to adjust the trade-in value they gave you before the price cut of $5600. Most likely in the same amount downward.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Thanks for confirming. Even accouting for VAT and tax, Tesla is still priced so much higher than the same model in the US. Same situation for smart phone, computer, all tech products etc. European get ripped off.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Actually, I mis-spoke there. Including the price drop happened in May, Model S in Germany has dropped by $9800 euro. If NOT including the price drop in May, then Model S has dropped by $6000 euro. Yes, the lastest $2580 USD drop for Model S is for US only. By the way, does pricing in...
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    After too long on the sidelines, I’m about to become an owner

    wow, eight years of waiting. Patience always pays off. Congrats!!
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    If you choose the BMW M5 or Mercedes E class AMG, they are definitely in similar 0-60 mph as Model S. Yes, the M and AMG version costs more than Model S, but i think a car or driving experience are valued very differently among people. Some people value 0-60 mph the most, most value the tech...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Model S wasn't worth $130k to begin with 4 or 5 years ago. Even a top spec Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series with all fancy features you can think of costs less than that.
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Model S pricing is way higher than where it should be anyway. If am in the market to buy a Model S, I will most likely go with BMW 5 series or Mercedes E class. They only cost $61k here in US (trim level with the same performance and 0-60 time as Model S). BMW and Mercedes are not electric...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    I never understand the logic behind the pricing of Tesla in Europe (and all kind of other tech product like iPhone and Mac). Even if you account for exchange rate, VAT, tax, and extra cost of shipping, every kind of tech product and Tesla cost significantly higher in Europe than in US...
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    Model S gets $3K price drop then a $2570 drop to $69420!

    Model S and Model X price in Germany has been dropped by $3k euro since a week ago. Including the price dropped that happened in May of this year, Model S pricing in Germany is reduced by $6k euro already.
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    Free Destination Charging: 50x L2 80A Stations @ Caltech, Pasadena, CA

    Not necessary the garage to park gasoline car, but I am talking about the electric charger that EV driver actually use. I can't imagine a place on this earth actually need 160 electric charger in a SINGLE location, maybe if you put them in a super busy shopping mall in the heart of silicon...
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    Free Destination Charging: 50x L2 80A Stations @ Caltech, Pasadena, CA

    Looks like very very few people actually use these charger??
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    Free Destination Charging: 50x L2 80A Stations @ Caltech, Pasadena, CA

    I don't understand these 100+ charger install in an garage that very few EV driver actually use. Is there such massive demand of charging in a SINGLE location? Why not change the strategy to, for example, 20 chargers install in 5 different locations in some busy/convenient location or even...
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    RWD LR Order?

    why would you want the 7 seat option? Last row of seat in Model Y is only big enough for people under 5 years old and that's it.
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    RWD LR Order?

    Pretty sure only 19, 20, 21 inch wheels are available for Model Y, there is no 18 inch option.
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    RWD LR Order?

    Sounds more like the Tesla sales people just want to up-sale reservation holder to upgrade from RWD to AWD/Performance. And LR RWD will still be made for those who reserved beforehand?
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    RWD LR Order?

    the LR RWD for sure has more range than LR AWD version, this is true for Model 3 as well. Easily 20 to 25 EPA miles extra range.
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    RWD LR Order?

    not a good choice with Ford Mach-E coz long road trip would rely on non-Tesla fast charging network, which all of the sucks. No where near as good as Tesla in terms of reliability, ease of use, number of location, charging cost etc.
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    Size comparison

    these images are great to see the size difference
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    Cybrtrk RN #

    The lowest reported in this forum is in the 1127441xx range. There are 4 RN# that are in this range, so I think the number is reliable.
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    Size comparison

    I think it is mainly coz F150 has to have huge space in the front for the gasoline engine. Electric motor for the front for Cybertruck is much smaller. Therefore, Tesla can put the cabin (where people sit) more forward toward the front. So they can maintain the 231.7 inch length and keeping...
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    [Poll]- Is Cybertruck beautiful?

    This color makes it look like a F117 stealth fighter jet.
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    Cybrtrk RN #

    250k reservations now. Updated 14 mins ago by Elon.