Oh perfect for my "Sims" life! I'll let you know how much he likes the single screen.... Wait he says there's an AR HUD!Signature red Model 3?????
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Garlan Garner
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Yeah...can you imagine......if Tesla would put the same inverter in the Model 3 that's in the Model S? Boy - that would be fantastic. In that case Tesla would have to create another 0-60 description - Unconscious ( not ludicrous or insane). Sub 2 0-60 times would for sure cause the blood to rush out of the brain and leave the driver unconscious.
I would buy it. Of course I wouldn't be able to tell you about it, but I would buy it none-the-less.
Reciprocity
Active Member
Only if they can find a way to make it for half the cost. Maybe for the P model?
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Signature red Model 3?????
Tesla Model 3 render in official Supercharger announcement sparks color rumors
Last year, Musk confirmed that unlike Tesla’s previous models, there will not be any ‘Signature reservation’ option for the Model 3, but when asked if ‘Signature red’ will be available for early reservation holders, he said that “there will be something special”:
Source? Only quote I remember was "20% smaller" which is pretty vague.
Huh?
The S is much longer than it is wider compared to the 3. Just look at a side by side comparison*, you can see length was drastically reduced. Sure, the width is narrower too, but I think Model 3 might actually be taller than the S (gotta get that rear headroom
), which makes it look even more narrow.
*assuming similar focal lengths based on spy shots and phone pics of each car.
The front is shorter in both length and especially height, and the cabin moved closer to the wheel which makes it even shorter. The ass end was also shortened quite a bit. Look at the long spoiler swoop of the S compared to the 3. The 3 roofline pretty much ends at the back of the car, whereas the S extends quite a bit longer.
I would actually say that the cars will have pretty similar widths. There are some estimates out there pointing to 74", which is about 3-4% less than Model S. Length is estimated to be 184", which is 6-7% less than the S. Sure, these are just estimates, but I don't see them varying too much and if they do, the proportions will still probably stay the same.
Most of Model 3's size reduction comes from making it more "stubby".
JeffK
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Interesting. To be fair though, that was a loooong time ago, and Elon's known for breaking his word in less time than that. I wonder too if he actually meant "smaller"? The guy's not exactly eloquent, and looking at the context of that quote, "lighter" doesn't really even make sense.
When pitching a "sedan" to customers, why would the layman be more concerned with weight over size?. And how does weight have more to do with manufacturability than size? (Although that may be a separate unrelated thought.)
JeffK
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Well, consider that the Q4 2015 earnings call was February 10, 2016 and the Model 3 reveal was the very next month. The engineers at launch mentioned vague details about weight savings and mix of steel and aluminum.
So unless they decided to add a bunch of weight then I think we're fine.
stopcrazypp
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Let me put this another way:
The prototype had that off the shelf steering wheel that looked tacked on.
It didn't have the wood interior accents which will likely be in the production car (some of the recent spy photos seem to show).
The center console was looked like it was a rapid prototype piece (including the cup holders) and will likely be more polished in the final version.
If it is like most prototypes, the build quality will also not stand up to closer inspection.
It is small details like that, which if they allowed the Motor Trend crew to take high resolution up close photos would be unflattering.
It does not necessarily mean from a macro sense that there will be major changes or that they aren't proud of the general design overall (as I believe you are trying to imply).
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Regarding small details, from the pictures I saw, the prototypes looked to be pretty well put together. The fit and finish on the body panels was outstanding. I would also expect them to put extra care into a crisp interior since they were giving test rides. Sure, it may be simple to produce quickly, but there's no reason to be sloppy when you're only making a couple cars.
That said, I suspect the attempts to hide the interior are simply because it's not complete, rather than it being poor quality, although it may be some of both.
alseTrick
Active Member
I think it's pretty clear that Tesla received poor feedback on the interiors after the first reveal and then went about limiting their visibility thereafter. I highly doubt they were hiding the interior over something like a steering wheel upgrade or a wood decor accent piece not being added. I agree they looked reasonably well put together, while noting that there wasn't much to put together.
Candleflame
Active Member
dont forget that less weight also means less traction...
Huh?
The S is much longer than it is wider compared to the 3. Just look at a side by side comparison*, you can see length was drastically reduced. Sure, the width is narrower too, but I think Model 3 might actually be taller than the S (gotta get that rear headroom
*assuming similar focal lengths based on spy shots and phone pics of each car.
The front is shorter in both length and especially height, and the cabin moved closer to the wheel which makes it even shorter. The ass end was also shortened quite a bit. Look at the long spoiler swoop of the S compared to the 3. The 3 roofline pretty much ends at the back of the car, whereas the S extends quite a bit longer.
I would actually say that the cars will have pretty similar widths. There are some estimates out there pointing to 74", which is about 3-4% less than Model S. Length is estimated to be 184", which is 6-7% less than the S. Sure, these are just estimates, but I don't see them varying too much and if they do, the proportions will still probably stay the same.
Most of Model 3's size reduction comes from making it more "stubby".
well, thats a CGI pic and estimates. The only official render from Tesla which showed all 3 cars showed them at fairly similar size. Although obviously the 3 is a bit smaller. Definetly not like BMW 3 series vs 7 series though.
Are you actually trying to argue that Tesla is hiding the interior because they are embarrassed about it, and they want to surprise people with a bad interior? That makes absolutely no sense, unless you think people will have to sign agreements to buy the car without looking at the interior.
FloridaJohn
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I think those are pictures of the actual reveal Model 3 and the refreshed Model S taken by Motor Trend last year at the Gigafactory.
Yes, you are correct. They aren't "special effects" CGI but two pictures which morph from an actual photo of the Model S to an actual photo of a Model 3.
Oh dear god I hope this is the case. I really really really really do. I hope they're seeing media and public reaction to this car and I hope they're addressing the issues.
But Tesla and Elon seem to be weirdly stubborn and proud to the point where maybe they just don't care (or think we won't care!). I don't see Tesla as a company that allows themselves to be manipulated by the media or public opinion. They have a design idea for the Model 3, and they are damn well going to execute it regardless of what people think. You don't want a taxi? You're getting a taxi! You want a second screen? You're only getting one! Not thrilled with our barren interior or other simplistic design choices to prioritize manufacturability over customer experience? Too bad! Tesla is the only game in town!
So, I'm not holding my breath for anything earth-shattering with this interior.
3Victoria
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wtf is this:
That section is glass on the Model S/X. When the window is fully rolled down, that triangular piece stays put. Is this just a piece of plastic? I know a lot of cars have plastic here, but this seems abnormally big. Like, I get it, you need to hold the mirror in place, but does it need to extend backwards beyond the mirror so much? Front blind spots are no fun... and kinda kills the expansive feel Tesla is going for with the glass roof.
That section is glass on the Model S/X. When the window is fully rolled down, that triangular piece stays put. Is this just a piece of plastic? I know a lot of cars have plastic here, but this seems abnormally big. Like, I get it, you need to hold the mirror in place, but does it need to extend backwards beyond the mirror so much? Front blind spots are no fun... and kinda kills the expansive feel Tesla is going for with the glass roof.
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stopcrazypp
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It's not a CGI picture. It was from the Motor Trend photoshoot where they took pictures of the Model S, Model 3, Model X from the same position for comparison. From the same article Motor Trend provided the following estimates for Model 3:
L x W x H: 184.1 x 74.2 x 56.5 in
The article also mentioned the following lengths:
Model X 198.3"
Model S 196.0"
Model 3 184.1"
BMW 340i 182.8"
(for reference the 7 series is 206.6")
Tesla Model 3 In-Depth - Exclusive Photos and Analysis
For completeness (L x W x H):
Model S: 196.0 x 77.3 x 56.5 in
Model 3: 184.1 x 74.2 x 56.5 in
BMW 340i: 182.8 x 71.3 x 56.3 in
BMW 7 series: 206.6 x 74.9 x 58.2 in
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