Ormond
Endless Peacock
I assume from reading your posts that there isn't a financial benefit to scheduling charging after 10 pm with FP&L. Are there non-financial benefits?
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I called FPL today about TOU and no one bad heard of it. A supervisor was able to pull up the website FAQ about it; but did not know anything more.
Based on what I am reading here I don't think it will make sense even with about 120kw per week in car charging.
Someone is supposed to give me a call back next week. We shall see...
The only demand I could realistically shift would be car charging and pool pump...
Maybe if I bought a powerwall
Based on what I am reading here I don't think it will make sense even with about 120kw per week in car charging.
Someone is supposed to give me a call back next week. We shall see...
The only demand I could realistically shift would be car charging and pool pump...
Maybe if I bought a powerwall
There is an FPL person tasked with EV and renewables. I do not have her name (Larry Chanin might). Unless things have changed very recently, AFAIK FPL does not have any retail consumer TOU rate incentives.I called FPL today about TOU and no one bad heard of it. A supervisor was able to pull up the website FAQ about it; but did not know anything more.
Based on what I am reading here I don't think it will make sense even with about 120kw per week in car charging.
Someone is supposed to give me a call back next week. We shall see...
The only demand I could realistically shift would be car charging and pool pump...
Maybe if I bought a powerwall
Nerdy_Engineer
Brett - The Nerdy Engineer
So what rate do you end up paying for peak/off peak? If you a powerwall or two, how much more do you think you could save? I'm trying to decide if there would be any benefit at all, or if their rate structure just makes it a waste of time.
Any update on any FPL ToU EV charging details other than entire house on/off peak?
We currently live in MN & have 2 EV's ... I currently have a separate meter for the EV chargers which I'm able to get off-peak rates on. We're considering moving to Southern FL & I'm trying to get a sense if there's anything similar available. If we end up building a house I'd like to plan ahead for a separate meter too.
FPL's website has little to no helpful information about EV's (that I could find).
Separate topic ... based on what I've seen thus far about FPL online ... they get pretty low marks for customer service. For those of you who use them ... has that been your experience?
TIA
We currently live in MN & have 2 EV's ... I currently have a separate meter for the EV chargers which I'm able to get off-peak rates on. We're considering moving to Southern FL & I'm trying to get a sense if there's anything similar available. If we end up building a house I'd like to plan ahead for a separate meter too.
FPL's website has little to no helpful information about EV's (that I could find).
Separate topic ... based on what I've seen thus far about FPL online ... they get pretty low marks for customer service. For those of you who use them ... has that been your experience?
TIA
Welcome to the forums.
FPL doesn't have an EV rate or provisions to separately monitor EV usage.
Their spokespeople say that their rates are low enough such that a separate EV rate is not justified.
From your experience, you probably know more about Time of Use rate issues than I do. However, at the risk of stating the obvious, yes FPL does offer a residential Time of Use program even if Customer Reps say otherwise.
Here's a link to FPL's FAQ on Residential Time of Use Rate
The last question discusses EVs. It says:
I own an electric vehicle – with the TOU rate help me save money?
Whether or not you would save depends upon a number of factors. As a general rule, electric vehicle owners who are able to shift their charging to off peak times, along with other household electric consumption – such as laundry and dishwashing - may save money on this rate. Call our Customer Care Center at (800) 226-3545 and request a rate analysis.
In answer to your question regarding my experience with FPL, fortunately, I haven't had to deal with Customer Service at FPL, so I can't help you there.
I have lived in Florida for 16 years. During that time we have only experienced two outages, both during Hurricanes. So from a basic fundamental side, I give FPL high marks for reliability.
With regard to their EV program, a few years ago I had a working arrangement with their Electric Vehicle Program Manager. She was very effective in promoting EVs and getting FPL's lobbyists to interact with state government, a very expensive proposition I might add. She apparently was too talented and was promoted out of the EV position. There have since been others that have come and gone in the EV Program Manager's position, I may be wrong, but my casual observation is that FPL isn't as active as it used to be in this area. I have had occasions to periodically deal with one of FPL's EV Specialists in obtaining statistical data and she has been very helpful.
I might add that FPL has an email address for questions about EVs, [email protected].
Good luck. If you end up moving to the Sunshine State, please consider joining our club. Refer to the link in my signature.
Larry
@Larry Chanin
an additional update.
I'm in Lee County (Cape Coral, Sanibel, Captiva areas)
I put in and activated an 11.655kW PV array (9,906kw legal description)
(times 0.85 makes it just under 10kW so I avoid the additional 4x insurance)
37 hanwha QPeak Duo 315w panels with 37 Enphase IQ7's very smart inverters, (IQ8's will island without battery, released later this year )
My electric bill from LCEC is $21.69/month now ($19.22 connect charge, a few fees)
pay abt $160/month for PV system
financed 100% of the PV array and got the 30% Fed tax credit
December 10th, 2018 turned on
Made 6,090kWh (winter!)(little under 5 months)as of today
shipped 3,630kWh to the net (anyone need to charge an EV when I get an exterior charger by garage?)
used 2,463kWh
bought 1,106kWh at night from LCEC (donated ~1,000kWh to LCEC)
getting a Tesla Powerwall which suddenly became available, see sales person next week
At that point i will buy _zero_ from LCEC, export all excess and can become a primary node in a VPP
Who needs a TOU meter, when you make 200% of what you use?
become nodes in a VPP
an additional update.
I'm in Lee County (Cape Coral, Sanibel, Captiva areas)
I put in and activated an 11.655kW PV array (9,906kw legal description)
(times 0.85 makes it just under 10kW so I avoid the additional 4x insurance)
37 hanwha QPeak Duo 315w panels with 37 Enphase IQ7's very smart inverters, (IQ8's will island without battery, released later this year )
My electric bill from LCEC is $21.69/month now ($19.22 connect charge, a few fees)
pay abt $160/month for PV system
financed 100% of the PV array and got the 30% Fed tax credit
December 10th, 2018 turned on
Made 6,090kWh (winter!)(little under 5 months)as of today
shipped 3,630kWh to the net (anyone need to charge an EV when I get an exterior charger by garage?)
used 2,463kWh
bought 1,106kWh at night from LCEC (donated ~1,000kWh to LCEC)
getting a Tesla Powerwall which suddenly became available, see sales person next week
At that point i will buy _zero_ from LCEC, export all excess and can become a primary node in a VPP
Who needs a TOU meter, when you make 200% of what you use?
become nodes in a VPP
I recently switched over to FPL's Time of Use program, I will provide a better update when the first billing cycle ends. It took me a while to get a contact @FPL to set everything up, but once I got a hold of Allen, the "ToU manager", everything got set up very quickly.
As for ToU rates, it's actually confusing as there are 4 different rates. I created a table for reference below (to the best that I understand it). Basically, it is the difference between on/off peak and the rate increases for every kwh after 1000 kwh.
For my specific situation, I use about 300kwh/mo for my model 3 on scheduled charging and put my water heater on a smart switch so most of my on-peak energy usage is the A/C. A/C is unavoidable here in FL, but manageable with a smart thermostat.
Let me know if you need anything else!
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How did you calculate the 20/22 cent on-peak rates? Their rate table is confusing. Are you saying that the on-peak rate is an addition to the regular rate that they charge for <1000 or >1000? And the off peak rate is a subtraction from the regular rate?
If you oversize by just a wee bit. since i went "permission to operate" havent bought much it seems, $21.69/month connect charge. I'm with LCEC in Lee county
Here are the FPL rates that will appy from August 2019:
https://www.fpl.com/rates/pdf/AugustResidential-2019.pdf
From a footnote: except for customer charge, all rates and charges under Rate Schedule RS-1 shall apply to RTR-1. RTR-1 Base Energy and Fuel Charges and Credits applicable to on- and off-peak usage are in addition to the RS-1 charges.
The costs for Energy Charge and Fuel Charge are calculated by adding a value from the 2nd row to a base value from the first row.
Cost of a kWh is:
Base Energy Charge (row 1)
+ On/Off-Peak Energy Charge Adjustment (row 2)
+ Conservation Row 2 (or 1, it's the same either way)
+ Capacity Row 2
+ Environmental Row 2
+ Base Fuel Charge (row 1)
+ On/Off-Peak Fuel Charge (row 2)
So, for usage >1,000kWh, On-Peak it'd be:
7.173
+ 10.914
+ 0.150
+ 0.258
+ 0.159
+ 3.227
+ 0.677
= 22.558
Usage <1,000kWh, Off-Peak
6.118
- 4.855
+ 0.150
+ 0.258
+ 0.159
+ 2.227
- 0.289
= 3.768
But yes, they don't want to make it easy.
In comparison it's kept very simple here. All those little adjustment are bundled into the rate.
YellyYeti
Member
I just switched over to FPL's ToU residential plan, after about a year of research.
Since getting a Tesla and rooftop solar (no batteries, but it offsets peak hours nicely), I was curious to see if I would save any money on the ToU plan. As alluded to in previous posts, information is very hard to come by. What I ended up doing, was to consume electricity as if I was on the Time of Use rate, over the last year. That consisted mainly of charging our Model X after 10PM.
Then last month I called FPL, and after speaking to a number of people, got them to do a rate analysis on my usage over the last year, and compare what I would have paid on the ToU rate vs what I actually paid. As I had a Smart Meter they had usage information down to the hour. They came up with 11% savings on ToU, so I told them to go ahead and switch me.
The next step for me is to try to figure out a payback period on two powerwalls. On the regular rate, powerwalls are only for backup during hurricanes, with no payback. With ToU there will be, although I am guessing it will not be a quick one. We've only lost power for 3 days or so at the time, every few years, due to hurricanes.
Since getting a Tesla and rooftop solar (no batteries, but it offsets peak hours nicely), I was curious to see if I would save any money on the ToU plan. As alluded to in previous posts, information is very hard to come by. What I ended up doing, was to consume electricity as if I was on the Time of Use rate, over the last year. That consisted mainly of charging our Model X after 10PM.
Then last month I called FPL, and after speaking to a number of people, got them to do a rate analysis on my usage over the last year, and compare what I would have paid on the ToU rate vs what I actually paid. As I had a Smart Meter they had usage information down to the hour. They came up with 11% savings on ToU, so I told them to go ahead and switch me.
The next step for me is to try to figure out a payback period on two powerwalls. On the regular rate, powerwalls are only for backup during hurricanes, with no payback. With ToU there will be, although I am guessing it will not be a quick one. We've only lost power for 3 days or so at the time, every few years, due to hurricanes.
Smart meter makes a big difference. Here, you can download your data and using a tool or just some simple formulae in a spreadsheet you can calculate the difference.
https://www.fpl.com/smart-meters/pdf/energy-use.pdf
Can you download your own data from the dashboard and analyze it yourself?
(My utility has a dashboard thing, but when I used it several years ago it was clunky for analysis. I now have 2 meters so can't use it)
You are supposed to be able to call them and request the data. However, I didn't want to waste my time on a call, and I found this website where you can get it, I think for under $20.
UtilityAPI - Pricing
How much of your total consumption is offset by solar?
What happens if you produce a lot during the summer peak hour of 12-9pm, do you get to carry it forward and offset your winter peaks (6-10am/pm)?
YellyYeti
Member
My Time-of-Use plus Net Metering meter, which replaced my Smart Meter, does not give me access to hour-by-hour information anymore, they were very clear about that when I switched. I am sure it is a database-to-website lack of programming, so maybe they will fix it in the future. So I would have to go by what the bill tells me, if I am to figure out the powerwall payback.
Before switching to ToU, I actually tried to get them to send me a download of my usage for the last year, so that I could do the analysis myself. The Energy Dashboard does not have download capability, and I did not feel like learning how to write a "data harvester" to grab the data from the website. After asking about the download, which really threw them for a loop, the person I talked to actually went and talked to the DB admins and programmers, and they were the ones that did the analysis for me. Maybe they can take their queries and make that part of their toolkit now, in case someone has the same question as me.
Before switching to ToU, I actually tried to get them to send me a download of my usage for the last year, so that I could do the analysis myself. The Energy Dashboard does not have download capability, and I did not feel like learning how to write a "data harvester" to grab the data from the website. After asking about the download, which really threw them for a loop, the person I talked to actually went and talked to the DB admins and programmers, and they were the ones that did the analysis for me. Maybe they can take their queries and make that part of their toolkit now, in case someone has the same question as me.
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