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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
That seems terribly inefficient. I'd be doing statistical analysis, and rely on the frequency of disengagements by location, by given reason, and by anything else available to me. Speed? Model? Time of day? If 100 drivers have disengaged while turning left between 5 and 6 pm at a given intersection, that's worth looking into. If a bunch of drivers are disengaging, it doesn't matter if Tesla considers it necessary because the people involved apparently did.
I'd love to see a disengagement heat map for my geographic area. Again, with various filters.
AlanSubie4Life
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There have been a lot of versions lately, and they clearly just accidentally released the Cybertruck FSD version to the other vehicles. Nothing to do with relying on maps. This also explains the curbing issues which made no sense otherwise (obviously would not release something with known curbing issues).
Why has 12.3.2.1 deployment slowed since last night? I was hoping another wave would start this morning. Maybe this weekend…or another version in the works before wide deployment?
I want autopark. Of course, then I will want summon…too excited for April updates!
I want autopark. Of course, then I will want summon…too excited for April updates!
Let's just say that my wife WANTS me to turn on FSD when traffic is low. She instinctively knows that I am less fatigued when FSD is on for any drives longer than 30mins. I just don't use it when things are very complicated around me, but in most drives, she prefers FSD on. And I don't have any accidents in my life except towards the end of year 1
and that's more than 35 years ago, so it's not as if I drive like an idiot.I think some feels FSD is worse because of their environment. I'm fortunate that around my environment, it works quite well and it has been for a while now.
sleepydoc
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Supervised is not the same as unsupervised but you can look at disengagement rates, etc to get an initial estimate.
there could still be a sort of supervisor rule. There has to be in the case of local laws, etc… it’s more practical to encode that as actual rules. The automatic safety systems ideally also remain active in case the NN decides to do something boneheaded.
At some point regulators will demand repeatable behavior (and hopefully without gimping the systems too much). They will want to know that the car will obey no right on red rules, etc…. So the NN will always have to have something constraining or overruling its decisions from time to time. That might be another layer of the NN or some other technique only advanced AI researchers know, not necessarily imperative code in an archaic language like c++, but key is it has to be reliable and deterministic enough to satisfy the regulators.
I did another drive today with v12.3.1. This was about 40mins worth, again around 4 planned disengagements with V11.
Overall, it handled the drive well. This route has two very difficult intersections with weird angles and less visible turns. Lots of traffic around this hour and V12.3.1 handled them very well. Both directions were zero disengagements, which was a surprise to me even with heightened expectations.
3 minor annoyances:
- I clearly see the difference between Assertive and Chill now, at least in terms of acceleration from stop/low speed. Assertive is quite a bit more forceful. So now I keep it in Chill mode. Even this one feels too strong for me in most situations. I wish if current Chill becomes the new Average and a new more mild Chill mode is added in the future.
- When it wants to switch lane, or if I trigger it through signal, it always hesitates very subtly then makes the move. It is also true that changing lane from left to right is now quicker, which is nice. Even when on Chill, I also observed that it changes lane, both when a slower vehicle is encountered in front of me on the right lane, or when another car is tailgating me on the left lane. I have NOT tried MLC, because I forgot.
- I'm still not used to auto-speed. Sometimes too fast, sometimes too slow. When it is too slow, tapping on acc seems to work, so I'm sort of ok with that. But I haven't figured out a way to slow the car down when auto-speeding too fast without disengaging. Anyone?
Overall, I still think v12.3.1 fixes 80% and broke 20%. For me, V12 is more useful, at least in v12.3.1 form. Just need to figure out how to get around the faults without adding much effort or stress.
EDIT : I forgot to mention that, during this drive, I had camera views on all the time to see if the car is close to the curves during all turns. At least in v12.3.1 in my drives, I didn't feel uncomfortable. Either this happens less frequent, or v12.3.1 at least partially fixed this issue from the earlier versions of v12.
Overall, it handled the drive well. This route has two very difficult intersections with weird angles and less visible turns. Lots of traffic around this hour and V12.3.1 handled them very well. Both directions were zero disengagements, which was a surprise to me even with heightened expectations.
3 minor annoyances:
- I clearly see the difference between Assertive and Chill now, at least in terms of acceleration from stop/low speed. Assertive is quite a bit more forceful. So now I keep it in Chill mode. Even this one feels too strong for me in most situations. I wish if current Chill becomes the new Average and a new more mild Chill mode is added in the future.
- When it wants to switch lane, or if I trigger it through signal, it always hesitates very subtly then makes the move. It is also true that changing lane from left to right is now quicker, which is nice. Even when on Chill, I also observed that it changes lane, both when a slower vehicle is encountered in front of me on the right lane, or when another car is tailgating me on the left lane. I have NOT tried MLC, because I forgot.
- I'm still not used to auto-speed. Sometimes too fast, sometimes too slow. When it is too slow, tapping on acc seems to work, so I'm sort of ok with that. But I haven't figured out a way to slow the car down when auto-speeding too fast without disengaging. Anyone?
Overall, I still think v12.3.1 fixes 80% and broke 20%. For me, V12 is more useful, at least in v12.3.1 form. Just need to figure out how to get around the faults without adding much effort or stress.
EDIT : I forgot to mention that, during this drive, I had camera views on all the time to see if the car is close to the curves during all turns. At least in v12.3.1 in my drives, I didn't feel uncomfortable. Either this happens less frequent, or v12.3.1 at least partially fixed this issue from the earlier versions of v12.
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AlanSubie4Life
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Turn off auto speed (ASSO).
This gives you ASSO, but allows you to cap the speed with your desired manual set speed offset.
Turning off ASSO does not turn off ASSO AFAIK. It just imposes a cap. (In other words the modes seem to behave the same if manual speed offset is +25% or whatever since probability of ASSO going that fast is basically zero.)
This is how my poor eyes read: "IOW, if Tesla teaches us how best to use the Facebook, everyone benefits."
Really? I found Assertive to be gentler. (As logged by my insurance safety scoring app.)
I've found I can use the scroll wheel to slow the car down. (But it doesn't work to speed it up.)
At a guess, they're distracted by a bunch of new priorities. Getting V12 onto demo cars, new cars, into factory builds, into Canada, implementing Elon's new trial "by the end of the week" (thanks, Elon), and so on.
I let Assertive drive for about 5 stop/lights and in all cases, it was uncomfortably too strong, which didn't happen in other Chill based stops. I'll experiment further during the future drives.
As for scroll down, I did not try this. Again, I'll try those as well.
Thanks for the tips!
....and watching carefully for unintended or unknowable bugs. This is the fastest rollout since 10.3 and that was a disaster. Tesla doesn't want a 10.3 repeat.
AlanSubie4Life
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I have not found that this works when ASSO mode is enabled (scroll down to an invisible 15mph or whatever). I guess I will try again. Maybe there is a long delay?
(v12.3)
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Haha, archaic maybe compared to an LLM that can just write software to do whatever I want with zero effort on my part, but C++ is still AFAIK the first choice for high-performance, low-latency, low-power applications. Just because it's fragile and high maintenance doesn't make C++ archaic when there are no better tools for the many jobs C++ is still the best for...
FSDtester#1
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But wait, you didn't have Tmc in 2021 to discuss fsd... remember???
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