FSD Beta v11.x

uscbucsfan · Jun 1, 2023

EVNow said:
But why is it stopping there .... I think it can't figure out the distance to the gate reliably / correctly. If FSD thinks it is about to hit the gate, it will throw red hands. Something has changed in this release that either makes FSD throw red hands sooner or its calculation of distance less reliable.

I think it's the curb at that angle. It's hard to say for sure, but I have a similar situation at the entrance of my neighborhood, no gate, and the car freaks out sometimes.

iloveplywood · Jun 1, 2023

Newest version of FSD beta has been interesting. For me, though, it's been a one step forward, two step backwards thing.

(apologies in advance for my terrible attempts to describe this stuff)

Improvements:

1. It fixed an issue that it had with a tricky turn lane on the way to my work that I thought might never get fixed. It was a bus lane, that for a very brief distance had dotted lines indicating that normal traffic can use it for a turning. Previously, it would get confused and attempt to turn from the wrong lane -- it handles it perfectly now.

2 It also seems smoother to me, overall, though that's hard to actually quantify. On the other hand it's making strange mistakes in areas that it used to handle perfectly.

Regressions:
1. There's a very simple three lane highway that it started randomly changing lanes abruptly as if there was something in it's path. I've never had any problem on this road and frankly it caused me to almost cancel FSD as it resulted in multiple horn honking events from cars around me. It's actually one of the few roads I had enough confidence in the past to use FSD during normal hours, so it was a little deflating.

2. There's a four way stop sign that I swore it handled perfectly in the past, but now it will stop again in the middle of the intersection. I finally figured out why -- there's a over-hanging stop sign that's actually on the other side of the intersection that I think FSD is interpreting as a new stop sign.

3. It decided it need to make a u-turn to get to my office instead of proceeding to the next street (a route it has taken many times). It then got stuck trying to make the u-turn and told me it was unable to complete maneuver and that I needed to take over. First time it's actually just given up on me in a long time.

4. It used to recognize some aggressive speed bumps on my route to work and slow down appropriately. It was really impressive! Now it just plows through them. I think the paint indicating the speed bumps might be fading? Not sure.

Biggest consistent issue:

Stop signs:
It stops too early, stays there too long, and creeps out in a jerky unnatural fashion. If this was fixed I could see actually using FSD in normal traffic sometimes. Not sure this can be fixed with the current hardware. I get why it has problems in this situation as technically I can't see the traffic either when I stop where I'm supposed to. I'm just better at creeping out efficiently which does seem like sort of an art form.

aronth5 · Jun 1, 2023

Wondering what others think of how well does FSD handle walkers and runners approaching your car as your driving. towards them. My belief has always been that FSD gets too close to the walker/running before moving over and then often doesn't move far enough over. Finally moves back too quickly.

Today 2 different people literally used both arms to wave me towards the center line. And those that didn't wave me over seemed unhappy how close I was to them. The planner definitely visualized them and the planner line showed FSD would move over as I approached. FSD did mover over but too late and not far enough IMO. Where I drive unless there is a car coming in the other lane most drivers move over the center line with a lot moving entirely into the other lane. Same for cyclists.

EVNow · Jun 1, 2023

I've complained a lot of times about small roundabouts. It always stops before figuring out how to navigate around the roundabout - even when it is empty. I thought this was a planning issue i.e. it needs more time to figure out how to navigate.

With 11.3.x looks like the problem is it thinks the car needs to stop - for whatever reason. So before the car stops if I tap the accelerator ... FSD won't stop but continue around the roundabout. Sometimes I've to tap the accelerator a couple of times. But now - I've figured out how to change the disengagement into an intervention

After tap ...

Supcom · Jun 1, 2023

With 11.4.2 rollout stalled for several days, I expect we may be waiting for 11.4.3 to be released this weekend.

kriskros91 · Jun 1, 2023

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Supcom said:
With 11.4.2 rollout stalled for several days, I expect we may be waiting for 11.4.3 to be released this weekend.

Maybe this is for everyone to get on 2023.12 and all FSD versions to be merged.

sleepydoc · Jun 1, 2023

EVNow said:
With 11.3.x looks like the problem is it thinks the car needs to stop

The last several versions (maybe all?) will virtually always stop at a yield. For flashing yellow arrows the Car stops before entering the intersection then only enters if the path is completely clear. For dedicated right turns lanes with an island to the left and a yield it will proceed only if the light is green. If the light is yellow or red it will always stop, regardless of whether there’s traffic or not.

For the first time, 11.3.6 would occasionally enter roundabouts for me without stopping. Prior to this it would always stop before entering, regardless of the presence or absence of traffic.

tivoboy · Jun 1, 2023

Supcom said:
With 11.4.2 rollout stalled for several days, I expect we may be waiting for 11.4.3 to be released this weekend.

I just got it a couple days ago and installed it this morning.

sleepydoc · Jun 1, 2023

rlsd said:
Dumb question: How do you react to the posts with info, thump up, thump down emoticons? So far I only click the Like button?

Thumbs up or the i (informative) or lightbulb (helpful) reaction. Or reply if you actually want to say something.

Supcom · Jun 1, 2023

kriskros91 said:
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Maybe this is for everyone to get on 2023.12 and all FSD versions to be merged.

Doubtful, but who knows. Most likely, Tesla is preparing some bug fixes and will roll out 11.4.3 to everyone below 2023.12.x. That's how 11.3.x went out.

JHCCAZ · Jun 1, 2023

rlsd said:
Dumb question: How do you react to the posts with info, thump up, thump down emoticons? So far I only click the Like button?

sleepydoc said:
Thumbs up or the i (informative) or lightbulb (helpful) reaction. Or reply if you actually want to say something.

(I think @rlsd is asking how you can leave a reaction other than the default thumbs-up.)

If you just momentarily tap the Like button it will register a thumbs-up (Like or Agree). If you tap again it will remove it.

If you want something else other than thumbs-up, put your mouse cursor or finger on it and hold for about one second. This will bring up a sub-menu choice of reactions. You can also use this method to change a reaction you already left to a different one. It won't add a second reaction from you, it will only replace the previous one you left.

PR0FESSOR · Jun 1, 2023

Some of us are.

Porkalletta said:
We X'ers and S'ers are not getting the fancy stuff like the others.

Olle · Jun 1, 2023

EVNow said:
I've complained a lot of times about small roundabouts. It always stops before figuring out how to navigate around the roundabout - even when it is empty. I thought this was a planning issue i.e. it needs more time to figure out how to navigate.

I've been thinking about this too. Time seems to often be the lacking dimension in FSD beta. If it had the time advantage of Keanu Reeves dodging bullets in The Matrix, it would clearly do a lot better.

I am hopeful that once FSD beta eventually reaches acceptable decision making skill, Tesla should be able to focus more on optimizing the neural networks for speed.

A problem with that is that increasing the inference speed of a neural network may require adding complexity to the model.
As with other types of software, there's often a trade-off between speed and size in neural networks.

Admittedly I don't know how speed-optimized FSD Beta already is, how much knowledge distillation and other measures they do before they send it out to the cars and how close the HW3 computers already are to bursting at the seams. Would be very interesting to hear if anybody has more insight.

Tronguy · Jun 1, 2023

tivoboy said:
I just got it a couple days ago and installed it this morning.

And I just tried the update: It's there, and downloading. Very, very slowly.

Y'know, the, "You've disengaged? What went wrong?" prompt is still there on 11.3.6 and, I presume, 11.4.2. To my mind, that means that Tesla is still collecting data on Why Disengagements on all the current versions out there. Maybe doing comparative studies on what disengagements are in there for what reasons, which fits with the incremental improvements stuff. Dunno.

PR0FESSOR · Jun 1, 2023

Some quick comments on HW3 and 11.4.2. One problem that I experienced with 11.4.1 moving left prior to a freeway exit, and then cutting back over as if it suddenly remembered that it had to exit is now fixed at the location where 11.4.1 would always have an issue. 11.4.2 stayed in the right hand lane, and exited smoothly.

On my way home today, I approached a stop sign at a T junction. The car stopped in its normal stop well before the stop sign and then creep towards the turn, and then it turned the wrong direction. The display indicated a left turn towards my house as it should, and then, out of nowhere, it turned right and indicated that it was going to drive about one mile down the road in the opposite direction and make a U-turn. Needless to say, I put an end to that plan and flipped a u-turn manually. All I could think was… WTF was that???? Maybe it brain-farted. I will try this again tomorrow to see if I can repeat the problem.

Joe

EVNow · Jun 1, 2023

PR0FESSOR said:
The display indicated a left turn towards my house as it should, and then, out of nowhere, it turned right and indicated that it was going to drive about one mile down the road in the opposite direction and make a U-turn.

There is some bug they have introduced in 11.4.2 around planning. It's not a regression... FSD never did these kinds of things in any previous release.

jebinc · Jun 1, 2023

Ramphex said:
There was no warning, but also no strike. Just red take over immediately hands…. and four ways lol. This never happened before 11.4

I’ll try to recreate it in a couple mins when I get back home. The Junk hates me using my phone to record its behavior, let’s see if I get another strike

I can recreate it at my gate 100% of the time. 100%.

LowlyOilBurner · Jun 1, 2023

11.4.2
Anyone else notice when attempting an unprotected left, the coast is clear, plenty of time in between oncoming traffic (like more than enough), car fails to complete the turn, just sits there? Had this happen a couple times today, 11.3.6 would have completed the turn.

Supcom · Jun 1, 2023

Big wave of 2023.7.10 going out now. Looks to be rolling out to the rest of the current tester fleet. I'm downloading now.

jebinc · Jun 1, 2023

Ramphex said:
Yea and it used to stop, I would nudge it forward to the sensor with the accelerator and once the gate opened it would continue through. Not anymore.

Same

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