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Yes the upgrade from 60 to 75 is a simple software change. But if you bought the 60, Tesla took a big hit on the profit margin for that car so to unlock the 75 Tesla deserves that profit.
I think this is genius. Back when the 40's were built (I am sure everyone already knows this) it was actually a 60. A couple of years later, many of those 400 40's were traded in to Tesla for a newer car with a bigger battery. Tesla just flipped the switch and turned each 40 into a 60 and sold it as a CPO 60. They gave trade-in value as a 40 and with a one bit change, sold them at the value of a 60 value. Brilliant. And I suspect they are thinking about all this buried treasure in the 75/60's they have sold and being able to harvest the embedded value later.
If you wait till after Jan. 1, the price of the sixty will go up by $2000. Then I quess the upgrade will only be worth $8000 till they raise the price of the 75. I guess then it will seem like a bargain.
Very good points. I suspect you have read on the TM forum over the last few years, there's been more than a little whining by 40 owners that TM should flip the switch and give them both the rest of the battery and Supercharging for free - simply because its there.Yes I actually mentioned this exact scenario when Tesla decided to make all 40's a software limited 60 battery. That was to get out of the jam of not delivering a Model S for less than $50K which was a very big selling point in regards to getting all of the free publicity and possibly the government loans. The current plan makes less sense as there was no need to offer it other than for cost considerations and they are making a pretty large assumption they will be getting back a majority of those cars or that a majority of buyers will ante up for the 75 during their ownership. Sure the majority of lease cars will come back but purchased ones are much less likely to be traded back in and those they gave away the extra capacity for nothing unless those buyers do decide to upgrade to the 75 at some point.
Very good points. I suspect you have read on the TM forum over the last few years, there's been more than a little whining by 40 owners that TM should flip the switch and give them both the rest of the battery and Supercharging for free - simply because its there.
I'll chime in as my first post ever.
I'm really grateful for the 60D that actually has a 75 kWh battery.
The 60D with a 75 kWh gives me 15 kWh FOR FREE!
Although I can't use that 15 kWh for the extra range, I CAN use it as a buffer.
It appears this improves charge times and allows me to charge to 100% without having to worry about harming the battery.
All for free.
If I want, I can always pay to access that extra 15 kWh.
If I don't, I dont have to pay that extra cost.
There is nothing shady
Tesla is upfront about the issue.
I get to decide what works best for me.
It's interesting to me how different people perceive things.
I think the 60D with 75kWh battery is the Tesla equivalent of the deal of the century!
Because of that and a few other things, I'm upgrading from a future Tesla Model 3 to a Tesla 60D purchase this week.
This allows Tesla to book a sale in 2016 that they otherwise would not have gotten until probably 2018 or 2019.
This will give me the opportunity to buy something that I otherwise wouldn't even consider.
Win. Win. Win
I can't say I specifically recall that but just like the OP here I can see that some people would expect something for nothing. Still I bet it's more likely now because we have moved away from the earliest buyers who were more enthusiastic and open to the roller coaster that goes along with being an early adopter. This is why Tesla needs to have QC and service scheduling improved drastically before the model 3 is released or we will see lemon law claims galore.
Exactly this. The announcement of the 60D allowed my wife and I to buy directly in to Tesla with our Model S. Our plan had been to buy / lease a Bolt for the next three years until the Model 3s finally hit the East Coast. We needed the ~200 mile range as an upgrade from her lease-expired Leaf and always wanted a Tesla, but the price was just a bit too high. Suddenly with $8500 off, we were in the game.
Plus, we can charge to 100% every day we need to, and even usually Supercharge up to 95-100% due to the limited tapering. And because we bought now, we get free supercharging for life. It was a win all around.
And we've had it for six weeks and already put in 4000 miles and three road trips.
Hah. You try to support your point with what you think is an outrageous analogy from the computer industry that you think people would not accept...but...um...computer companies have been doing exactly that for a long time. Mainframe computer makers have been offering systems where the processors have X number of cores, but only some of them are unlocked for use. If the customer pays the upgrade fee, they can get the other cores unlocked for use for more speed. Processor and memory companies don't want to have to manage many extra designs and part types internally. It simplifies production and manufacturing quite a bit to have fewer parts that can operate at higher or lower speeds or have certain features enabled. Also, since it can take a couple of months to produce, it helps to have the flexibility later in production to sell it as a higher or lower end part. And this is especially true in the computer chip industry that most of the cost is in the total steps of processing the wafer and how many total chips you can fit on it. Speed and functionality don't make much difference in the cost. So they would prefer to build for the highest target, and if some don't quite meet the highest speed grade or there is more customer demand for the lower priced ones, they can downgrade mark them as a lower product and sell them that way.I now understand why they did it, but still feels shady. Imagine if apple throttled your iphone 7 to an iphone 5 CPU power and sell it at a lower price, people would complain as it is capable of more.
Thats interesting what OP mention about tapering (current) which normally happens during the last 20% of a full charge.
Until now I was not sure that a 60D MS actually has a 75 kWh Battery.
As the cell voltage reaches a certain level the BMS must reduce the current.
Whithout the (necessary) tapering, the current stay much higher even towards the end of charging und should be quite noticable and therefore the times are also shorter for a full charge.
If it also offers a buffer as "JRMV" posted above, might be true, because the BMS prevents "bricking" and might resort to the 15% which is physically present in the 75 kWh version.
As for the policy to install one size Battery for two different models might be a manufactoring reason. (one size case, Nr of sheets etc.)