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HG Wells
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61 travellers from South Africa in Netherlands positive for COVID-19 -authorities
Dutch health authorities said that 61 people who arrived in Amsterdam on two flights from South Africa on Friday tested positive for COVID-19, and they were conducting further testing early Saturday to see if any of the infections are with the recently discovered Omicron coronavirus variant.www.reuters.com
NOTE: 600 passengers and 61 test positive.
10% positive. Hope the 61 worked together. If its 10% of random people thats SCARY.
AlanSubie4Life
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Yep, no surprise as the phylodynamic approach linked earlier indicates a common ancestor around October 7th, give or take a couple weeks. Been spreading for a while so it’s everywhere.
We’ll see how the vaccines hold up. Seems likely based on current knowledge that they will take a big hit on infection prevention, while still protecting very well against serious disease (because T-cell epitopes elsewhere on the spike are still going to be present, and may be largely unchanged). This is all speculative of course. We’ll know more in a couple weeks.
But of course increased breakthroughs will also lead to more hospitalization & death in the vaccinated, even with these T-cell defenses intact - because the vulnerable really cannot get sick. Still, I definitely expect vaccinated people to fare much better than unvaccinated after controlling for these factors.
It’ll be interesting to see how the virulence works out. Maybe we’ll get lucky and just happen to end up with something less virulent or less provoking of the body’s damaging inflammatory response.
And maybe we’ll luck out and affinity maturation in boosted individuals actually does result in coverage of some of the new epitopes, in some individuals at least.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yeah I thought that was a bit too sanguine from Chise. Though the rest of the sourcing does include the article. Time will tell. I don’t expect much change in severity, but who knows at this point.
dhanson865
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They were on multiple planes (two planes), not clustered all on one flight.
I'd say it's on the scary side.
dhanson865
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So I braved the grocery store tonight.
I don't know what she had but I'm in the frozen foods isle and someone walks around the corner with
No tissues, no gloves, no mask, nothing to catch the sneezes (didn't sneeze into forearm), just shopping away clearly sick.
I don't know if she had the flu, covid, or a random virus that's less lethal than both of those, but I do know she shouldn't be in public spreading it like that.
If she doesn't have a spouse or close relative to take care of her while she is sick she should at the least make a big order and have it delivered to her house.
Stay at home at least until the sneezing stops and she has no fever.
I don't know what she had but I'm in the frozen foods isle and someone walks around the corner with
- no mask
- puffy face
- sniffles
- and then sneezes about once every 30 seconds
No tissues, no gloves, no mask, nothing to catch the sneezes (didn't sneeze into forearm), just shopping away clearly sick.
I don't know if she had the flu, covid, or a random virus that's less lethal than both of those, but I do know she shouldn't be in public spreading it like that.
If she doesn't have a spouse or close relative to take care of her while she is sick she should at the least make a big order and have it delivered to her house.
Stay at home at least until the sneezing stops and she has no fever.
Article says that only the positive test individuals were put in isolation.
I don’t know what the rules are for traveling to Netherlands right now. But, there should be mandatory quarantine on the rest of the passengers just as they do in parts of Asia.
I’m certain some of the 90% testing negative on arrival will test positive if retested in a few days.
Sadly vaccine hesitancy is worse in South Africa than American southern states
thethaiger.com
Amid growing vaccine hesitancy, South Africa asks Pfizer, J&J to suspend deliveries
While many countries around the world struggle to get enough Covid-19 vaccines for their people, South Africa is trying to avoid a stockpile.
thethaiger.com
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Re: The vaccination rate is so low because they have struggled to get the vaccine.
Re: Most of the vaccines available are lower quality than what is available in the developed world.
That doesn't appear to be the case. They've now have so many extra JnJ and Pfizer they had to stop the supply which is far outweighing the demand.
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EXCLUSIVE South Africa delays COVID vaccine deliveries as inoculations slow
South Africa has asked Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer to delay delivery of COVID-19 vaccines because it now has too much stock, health ministry officials said, as vaccine hesitancy slows an inoculation campaign.
I had read that in most parts of Africa people are the most pro-vaccine (in general) in the world because they have seen what vaccines do for childhood diseases in the last 30 years. However I guess things are different in South Africa, at least for this vaccine. I stand corrected.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Anti vax doctors get covid after rally
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Seven doctors contract Covid after attending Florida anti-vaccine summit
Doctors tested positive or developed symptoms ‘within days’ of conference at which alternative treatments were discussed
www.theguardian.com
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Beyond the covid angle I'm surprised anyone would be willing to take ivermectin because it means you can't drink any alcohol!
Alcohol: Avoid. Very serious interactions can occur
Or are these people just popping pills with their whisky/wine/beer and reaping the side effects?
Alcohol: Avoid. Very serious interactions can occur
Or are these people just popping pills with their whisky/wine/beer and reaping the side effects?
HG Wells
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EVNow
Well-Known Member
You can't cure cults. People have to snap out of it - its like a bad nightmare.Anti vax doctors get covid after rally
Seven doctors contract Covid after attending Florida anti-vaccine summit
Doctors tested positive or developed symptoms ‘within days’ of conference at which alternative treatments were discussed
Anyone wondering - whatever happened to people who joined jihadists and became terrorists. This is how it happens.
All good conspiracy theories have some arguments that "prove" that any anti-conspiracy statement is part of the conspiracy. Its like how creationists say God put those bones to test your faith.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
If this had been a warmer month I would have said it was totally possible. This is the allergy capital of the world on some lists but we've already had a couple of hard freezes so the pollen level here is nil.
click on grass and weed and it says no reports, they literally don't even bother tracking it after a hard freeze.
So with no pollen to speak of, she would have to have just become allergic to something she hadn't identified yet and hadn't figured out how to control with antihistamines (or the modern equivalents that aren't technically antihistamines).
I mean this isn't like 30+ years ago when dimetapp and Chlor-Trimeton were your best options.
I've been taking one antihistamine or another my entire life and am allergic to pretty much every type of pollen. If pollen was an issue that day or that week I'd have noticed very quickly.
Shame (on him).Anti vax doctors get covid after rally
Seven doctors contract Covid after attending Florida anti-vaccine summit
Doctors tested positive or developed symptoms ‘within days’ of conference at which alternative treatments were discussed
In a new thread, Trevor Bedford makes some very preliminary guesses about Omicron’s escape from prior immunity vs transmissibility.
He shows that if it has substantial immune escape it can spread faster than Delta even if it turns out to be less inherently transmissible (to those without any prior Covid antigen exposure). This is, of course, just speculation at the moment but it provides a useful way to think about the possible risks from the Omicron variant.
He shows that if it has substantial immune escape it can spread faster than Delta even if it turns out to be less inherently transmissible (to those without any prior Covid antigen exposure). This is, of course, just speculation at the moment but it provides a useful way to think about the possible risks from the Omicron variant.
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