JRP3
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Bill Nye doing his thing https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/bill-nyes-solution-for-climate-change-152145716.html
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Oh? 40 years of Conservative Party mismanagement didn't have anything to do with its economic woes?
Oh, and Germany isn't going back to coal. There was a false report about that a couple of years ago in the climate denial blogs after a cold winter which drove up electricity demand.
Glad Bill's out there, and glad he's changed his tune on GMOs (gone from anti- to pro-), but hopefully he'll move the same direction on nuclear. He continues to speak out against nuclear power as a part of the solution.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'm not anti nuclear if it's done right, (LFTR preferably), but I don't know if it's necessary at this point.
I think it depends on the location. In the US, it's probably not ideal because of the regulatory environment.
Still, I don't like a "Science Guy" coming out against science. It's a bad message. Be pro-solar, pro-storage, but anti-nuclear is the wrong message. At least in my view.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Well if there are cheaper and better solutions, i.e. solar and batteries, it's not really against science to be anti-nuclear.
Ktowntslafan
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This tweet is getting a fair bit of attention. It's a great presentation by Elon and should be seen by as many people as possible. Please retweet:
Ktown on Twitter:
Ktown on Twitter:
I seem to remember him calling it the "dumbest" or "stupidest" experiment in the presentation.. did I remember that correctly?
RichardC
Cdn Sig & Solar Supporter
Six prominent Canadians, including a former Ambassador to the United Nations, have filed an application
with the head of the Canadian antitrust agency to have the misrepresentations
of climate denier groups investigated under the Canadian laws against misleading
advertising.
The application (copy available here: http://www.ecojustice.ca/wp-content/...ns-updated.pdf)
describes the strategy for creating public doubt about climate change as being
similar to that employed by the tobacco companies to create doubt about smoking
(which ultimately gave rise to a successful RICO prosecution in the US).
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in Canada, and whether
the same approach is adopted in other jurisdictions.
Those wishing to sign the petition supporting this investigation can do so at: https://www.support.ecojustice.ca/ea-action/action
The press release describing the application may
be found at: https://www.ecojustice.ca/pressrelease/leading-canadians-call-for-investigation-of-climate-change-denier-groups/
with the head of the Canadian antitrust agency to have the misrepresentations
of climate denier groups investigated under the Canadian laws against misleading
advertising.
The application (copy available here: http://www.ecojustice.ca/wp-content/...ns-updated.pdf)
describes the strategy for creating public doubt about climate change as being
similar to that employed by the tobacco companies to create doubt about smoking
(which ultimately gave rise to a successful RICO prosecution in the US).
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in Canada, and whether
the same approach is adopted in other jurisdictions.
Those wishing to sign the petition supporting this investigation can do so at: https://www.support.ecojustice.ca/ea-action/action
The press release describing the application may
be found at: https://www.ecojustice.ca/pressrelease/leading-canadians-call-for-investigation-of-climate-change-denier-groups/
Ktowntslafan
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Ktowntslafan
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RichardC
Cdn Sig & Solar Supporter
Thanks for pointing that out (the address was accidentally truncated).
https://www.support.ecojustice.ca/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1943&ea.campaign.id=43443&ea.tracking.id=Email_2015_11_26_Breaking_News&ea.url.id=501178&forwarded=true
Ktowntslafan
Member
[FONT="]One Good Thing About Being Wrong Is the Pleasure it Brings to Others!!![/FONT]
[FONT="]The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.[/FONT]
[FONT="]* * * * * * * * * [/FONT]
[FONT="]I must apologize.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 93 years ago.[/FONT]
[FONT="]This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions, or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence?[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate, at Bergen, Norway.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.[/FONT]
[FONT="]* * * * * * * * * [/FONT]
[FONT="]I must apologize.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 93 years ago.[/FONT]
[FONT="]This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions, or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence?[/FONT]
Yes, indeed you must apologize - for plagiarism, unless your name also is "rays427", who posted this chestnut in this very thread back in March of this year. Post #2184, I believe. And here was my response then:
Of course you didn't neglect to mention it.
You did, however, neglect to mention that the situation in early winter, 1922 in the area directly around Spitsbergen is known to have been confined strictly to the area directly around Spitsbergen. Per Snopes, as you suggested, you can look it up: https://web.archive.org/web/2010070...RM ARCTIC ICE TRENDS AND GLOBAL WARMING.1.pdf
What you write is absolutely analogous to claiming that winter 2014-5 in the eastern US demonstrates that the earth is undergoing global cooling.
Or that the winter 2014-5 through all of Alaska and western Canada demonstrates the earth is undergoing global warming.
Hmm.
Best stick to the full picture. Don't cherry pick - it's the pits.
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
I have a serious question in regards to that level of nonsense....
Do you honestly believe that everyone looked around... saw a change... and blamed CO2?
Do you honestly believe that understanding the physical properties of CO2 doesn't play a role in the level of concern shown by rational people?
Do you honestly believe that understanding that we're emitting ~40B tons (5ppm of the atmosphere) doesn't play a role?
The theory of AGW pre-dates any observations by decades... and it's 100% about the physical properties of CO2 and radiation... 0% about random anecdotal observations.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Even the conservatives are getting it. The Governator goes off on the climate change deniers: http://www.businessinsider.com/arnold-schwarzeneggers-went-on-an-epic-rant-about-climate-change-2015-12?r=UK&IR=T
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