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[renim]

Life expectancy hits new highs in Japan, but Hong Kong still No. 1：The Asahi Shimbun

The global healthiest is Hong Kong, also the greatest meat consumers in the developed world.
The EU healthiest is Spain and Norway, 2/3 the greatest meat consumers in EU. Spain is Europe's third largest consumer of meat and fish
next is Swiss, France, Sweden, hmmm diets rich in cow products or fish products.
near the top is Japan, specialists in fish is a vegetable
and South Korea, like Japan but more beef.

so wealth is a prerequisite, but there is much to assimilate from the top 5 countries for each gender.

what stands out to me, is not so much the meat, but the enthusiasm for quality over quantity.

 

[JRP3]

Japan is 23rd in meat consumption in the chart I posted, and the U.S. is 2nd, but doesn't even show up on the health chart.

 

[Deeppurple]

The global healthiest is Hong Kong, also the greatest meat consumers in the developed world.
The EU healthiest is Spain and Norway, 2/3 the greatest meat consumers in EU. Spain is Europe's third largest consumer of meat and fish
next is Swiss, France, Sweden, hmmm diets rich in cow products or fish products.
near the top is Japan, specialists in fish is a vegetable
and South Korea, like Japan but more beef.

The problems is that there is no single nation that is vegan, so this data just compares the various meat and fish eaters and their dismal differences in life expectancy. I'l bet any vegan and wealthy nation would be far ahead with life expectancies prob. in the low 100's. Take Paul Brag as an example who was an advocate for vegan diets some 50 years ago (I read his book during my teenage years)-- unfortunately, he died in his 80's after an injury while surfing.

 

[Deeppurple]

Switching to vegan is like switching to EV's in my view:
1. You get a LOT more power (meat and it's fats and impurities just takes so much energy to digest)
2. You require a LOT less maintenance for your body.
3. It just makes financial sense as meat is way too expensive even before taking into account the damages that one has to deal with later, such as cholesterol. Meat and fish is sometimes more expensive than dark chocolate.

 

[renim]

The problems is that there is no single nation that is vegan....

thats because of nutritional deficiencies for mothers and children,
But lets consider Japanese centenarians. Nutrition for the Japanese elderly. - PubMed - NCBI
1. Nutrient intakes in 94 Japanese centenarians investigated between 1972 and 1973 showed a higher proportion of animal protein to total proteins than in contemporary average Japanese.

2. High intakes of milk and fats and oils had favorable effects on 10-year (1976-1986) survivorship in 422 urban residents aged 69-71. The survivors revealed a longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat over the 10 years.

3. Nutrient intakes were compared, based on 24-hour dietary records, between a sample from Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and 65 were the longest in Japan, and a sample from Akita Prefecture where the life expectancies were much shorter. Intakes of Ca, Fe, vitamins A, B1, B2, C, and the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher in the former than in the latter. Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower.

to be more succinct, as people get old, they get fragile, In THE highest meat eating society of Hong Kong,surgery for hip fracture, even at extreme age, is worthwhile to maintain quality of life for affected patients.https://www.hkmj.org/system/files/hkmj164823.pdf


but the problem with America is not the meat, it is the Sugar (and sweeteners) that drive the appetite to get fat on refined carbs, which are supercharged with inflammatory industrial seed oils.

the observation has even been made that the Japanese High Carb, and the Aktins Low Carb both share the commonality of both being effective and both mostly eliminate the monosaccharide fructose. https://academic.oup.com/advances/article/4/2/226/4591631

I would add another observation, Japanese diet is only healthy when not over eating, . Retired Sumo wrestlers have a life expectancy of 60 to 65 years, compared to almost 80 for the average Japanese male. Sumo will change or die | The Japan Times I presume they both eat Japanese, but Sumo eats a lot more than average.

 

[Deeppurple]

I would add another observation, Japanese diet is only healthy when not over eating, . Retired Sumo wrestlers have a life expectancy of 60 to 65 years, compared to almost 80 for the average

I think that’s your answer right there. Americans simply overheat, and I agree with you about the sugar, which leads to over eating and obesity. If these problems were not present I’ll bet US average lifespan would be somewhere close to Japan’s.

 

[dmckinstry]

I think that’s your answer right there. Americans simply overheat, and I agree with you about the sugar, which leads to over eating and obesity. If these problems were not present I’ll bet US average lifespan would be somewhere close to Japan’s.

I don't have any data for this, but I suspect much of the "meat" in the Japanese diet is fish. Nevertheless, it is sugar and refined carbs that contribute most to health problems in the U.S.

 

[tander]

I think that’s your answer right there. Americans simply overheat, and I agree with you about the sugar, which leads to over eating and obesity. If these problems were not present I’ll bet US average lifespan would be somewhere close to Japan’s.

In Japan they are strict about watching their weight and older generations often live with younger, rather than in assisted living. So life expectancy/diet may be correlated, but cultural factors may compensate for not eating an ideal diet rather than reflect it. The other thing is life expectancy is only a measure of how long people live, not a measure of how healthy those years are. If you want to test a diet, it's got to be compared to cancer/stroke/heart disease etc rates. Otherwise it's like saying a car is reliable just because it's old without taking into account the service records.

 

[Swampgator]

In Japan they are strict about watching their weight and older generations often live with younger, rather than in assisted living. So life expectancy/diet may be correlated, but cultural factors may compensate for not eating an ideal diet rather than reflect it. The other thing is life expectancy is only a measure of how long people live, not a measure of how healthy those years are. If you want to test a diet, it's got to be compared to cancer/stroke/heart disease etc rates. Otherwise it's like saying a car is reliable just because it's old without taking into account the service records.

All you need for evidence regarding the impact of sugar on health, diabetes, and obesity is to look at China.
50 years ago, there were very few diabetic Chinese. Most everyone was thin. And they ate lots of rice, but no sugar. Now they eat lots of sugar and have more diabetics than we do in the US.

 

[tander]

All you need for evidence regarding the impact of sugar on health, diabetes, and obesity is to look at China.
50 years ago, there were very few diabetic Chinese. Most everyone was thin. And they ate lots of rice, but no sugar. Now they eat lots of sugar and have more diabetics than we do in the US.

Yes as I understand it as they grew more prosperous their diet tended toward more "luxury" items like sugar/meat/processed foods and overconsumption so while they have solved many of the third world type problems, they now have more first world ones.

 

[MTL_HABS1909]

Switching to vegan is like switching to EV's in my view:
1. You get a LOT more power (meat and it's fats and impurities just takes so much energy to digest)
2. You require a LOT less maintenance for your body.
3. It just makes financial sense as meat is way too expensive even before taking into account the damages that one has to deal with later, such as cholesterol. Meat and fish is sometimes more expensive than dark chocolate.

Many here act like the $TSLAQ crowd whenever plant based diets are brought up. I wonder if they even realize it.

 

[commasign]

Many here act like the $TSLAQ crowd whenever plant based diets are brought up. I wonder if they even realize it.

I noticed that too. I’m long $BYND so it amuses me when all the missing-the-forest-for-the-trees type arguments start coming up. It’s a good sign that Beyond is on to something big.

 

[renim]

Many here act like the $TSLAQ crowd whenever plant based diets are brought up. I wonder if they even realize it.

subtle difference, EVs are good, fake foods are bad, but fake foods can be very profitable. Coke Cola displaces many healthier drinks like water, tea and yoghurt.
take Coka Cola (KO), an epitome of a profitable fake food company. the economic incentive to add sugars and other substances (eg caffeine) to what is equivalent to boiled tap water, has been an effective way to obesify and diabetify America's (and the world's) population. But its been a great investment over many decades.

Even apples vs apple juice is a great example.
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strictly speaking, identical sugars, nearly identical GI, and GL, controlled for speed of drinking/eating. yet at 90min mark, the juice causes hunger ( a drop in blood sugars below starting level), this is very profitable.

even if the fibre is left in the apple product (ie puree sample) it still causes a drop in blood sugars below starting level.

One way, or another, processed food has to compete both with natural, and with other processed foods, the economic imperative demands that it becomes (greater shelf life, cheaper, and more addictive) which is unhealthy.

If you want, I can explain what beyond meat's fake meat, particular health issue will be, and contrast it to a natural meat alternative (fungi)

 

[MTL_HABS1909]

subtle difference, EVs are good, fake foods are bad, but fake foods can be very profitable. Coke Cola displaces many healthier drinks like water, tea and yoghurt.
take Coka Cola (KO), an epitome of a profitable fake food company. the economic incentive to add sugars and other substances (eg caffeine) to what is equivalent to boiled tap water, has been an effective way to obesify and diabetify America's (and the world's) population. But its been a great investment over many decades.

Even apples vs apple juice is a great example.
Sci-Hub: устраняя преграды на пути распространения знаний
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strictly speaking, identical sugars, nearly identical GI, and GL, controlled for speed of drinking/eating. yet at 90min mark, the juice causes hunger ( a drop in blood sugars below starting level), this is very profitable.

even if the fibre is left in the apple product (ie puree sample) it still causes a drop in blood sugars below starting level.

One way, or another, processed food has to compete both with natural, and with other processed foods, the economic imperative demands that it becomes (greater shelf life, cheaper, and more addictive) which is unhealthy.

If you want, I can explain what beyond meat's fake meat, particular health issue will be, and contrast it to a natural meat alternative (fungi)

The coke/water analogy is disingenuous.

 

[renim]

>Mtl
what, you don't agree that Coke has been a fantastic long term investment?

 

[commasign]

Beyond and Impossible are trying to help with the sustainability and climate change problem. While I agree that non-processed food is “healthier” than processed food, this is a means to an end. The ingredients, formulations, and manufacturing process is expected to improve over time. Beyond 2.0 and Impossible 2.0 are better tasting (more beef-like) and incrementally “healthier” compared to the 1.0 products. Remember that the health conscious folks are the target demographic. Competition drives innovation. One can only imagine what Beyond and Impossible Version 10 will be like.

TL;DR - These are tech companies. Arguing about how Windows 1.0 and MacOS 1.0 suck is missing the big picture that we’re watching something incredible.

 

[Bet TSLA]

Take a hard look at the borrowing interest first!

Well, I hope nobody here went short BYND, at least not for more than a day or so. It really is looking like a short squeeze. Up 12% today on no significant news, and then another 10% after hours. Brutal!

Glad I decided to go long.

 

[MTL_HABS1909]

>Mtl
what, you don't agree that Coke has been a fantastic long term investment?

No i agree with you that coke was a great investment. I disagree with the way you frame the negative health benefits of Beyond Meat vs animal meat. Seems you are saying it’s the same as coke vs water.

 

[JRP3]

If you want, I can explain what beyond meat's fake meat, particular health issue will be, and contrast it to a natural meat alternative (fungi)

Sure, I'd be interested to hear the long term health effects from occasional consumption of Beyond's product.

 

[defc0n]

Well, I hope nobody here went short BYND, at least not for more than a day or so. It really is looking like a short squeeze. Up 12% today on no significant news, and then another 10% after hours. Brutal!

Glad I decided to go long.

I haven't, although I'm keeping an eye on it and debating doing so potentially soon.