Broken Window Legal discussion

[rooter]

I think you are confusing "less government intererence" with government protecting individual and property rights, which conservatives believe is the role of the government.

That said however, even if you don't believe it, less government means the government stays out of something, so in this case the government would be saying "citizens must protect their own cars" and therefore make it easier for car owners to arm themselves to protect their property. This is not what they are doing. What they are doing is more akin to "you want less government, sure, the government won't feed you, but they will will jail you if you feed yourself". The reason why governments are granted police powers is to protect people's rights and enforce laws. The alternative is anarchy, everyone enforces their own laws.

You are certainly a Libertarian whitex, given your posting history. Taken to its mathematical conclusion that means no stop signs, no red lights, libraries, courts. Neighbor's house catches on fire too bad, he should have paid for fire service. Why should you have to pay for fire service for him?

Bend things as you like, but you're not being honest with yourself.

I say bring it on. People need to actually see the consequences of their actions.

Here is the POS that broke into my car in SF. Anyone have good video editing skills to better enhance this? This was taken from the rear camera. I already up'ed the contrast as it was very dark and my window is tinted.

Don't use contrast. I haven't used Windows regularly for 22 years but if Linux, in Gimp you want to adjust Color|Levels. There's an Auto button that will improve that. And a slider to lighten or darken more if need be.

Nm, even I can't fix that image. Dreadful camera, BTW.

 

[whitex]

You are certainly a Libertarian whitex, given your posting history. Taken to its mathematical conclusion that means no stop signs, no red lights, libraries, courts. Neighbor's house catches on fire too bad, he should have paid for fire service. Why should you have to pay for fire service for him?

I think before you post it may be a good idea to educate yourself a little more, go beyond the slogans and headlines. What you are describing is pure anarchy, which is not what liberiterians advocate at all. They advocate for government, even for welfare programs as a safety net to encourage people to take chances. If you are looking to educate yourself, try "Capitalism, the unknown ideal" by Ayn Rand. Not that every libertarian, myself included, agrees in everything she says, however it should give a good basic understanding of capitalism, if for no other reason but so you can make an informed argument, rather than just repeating some slogan you read somewhere, confusing concepts like anarchism and capitalism (or socialism and communism).

 

[djlott]

I think before you post it may be a good idea to educate yourself a little more, go beyond the slogans and headlines...

Funny thing about this WhiteX is your "Peoples Republic of CA comments" was one of the comments that started this entire political side thread. Going by what you read and hear about CA and that our state doesn't care about peoples property is nonsense. I've lived here my whole life and it's a great state, and I take it you've never lived here. And if that's so, how can you possibly make the comments that you do with the confidence that you portray in your posts?

 

[Cycle11111]

I have had same issue on a Bolt in CA and a Sonata in Tx and same police response. They took the report and did a short canvas. By the police admission in both cars smash and grab is soooo common and folks rarely caught. Sad but true

 

[Uncle Paul]

Think the ocmplaint is that the bums in the city are imune from prosecution. When you go by their encampments, which are all over the place, no police will be seen. There are hypodermic needles, but no arrests. People litter like crazy but no arrests. There are towering piles of bicycles, obviously stolen, but no arrests.

They have their own communities that are above the law. Drivers with Mexican plates (Font BC) never get parking tickets, because the city has no way to collect on them. Hygine and standards that would never be allowed in a legimate restaurant are glossed over as people cook in make shift kitchens. Toilets are not available, so you can imagine what goes on.

People drink out of open bottles on the sidewalks, while citizens cannot take a beer to the beach without getting a big fine. Double standards every where.

My heart goes out to people living in these encampments, but seeing the city officials doing nothing to control their filth is hard to watch.

 

[whitex]

Funny thing about this WhiteX is your "Peoples Republic of CA comments" was one of the comments that started this entire political side thread. Going by what you read and hear about CA and that our state doesn't care about peoples property is nonsense. I've lived here my whole life and it's a great state, and I take it you've never lived here. And if that's so, how can you possibly make the comments that you do with the confidence that you portray in your posts?

I have lived in Silicon Valley but not for almost 2 decades, so my personal experience living there is very dated. I do however spend a few weeks there every year and have friends and coworkers who live there (though some have moved in the last few years to places like Austin, Boston, Portland, or Seattle and say they like it better). I also read and hear about laws and decisions CA imposes on their residents, hence my comment as it relates to this thread of SF not enforcing property crimes being along the lines of general CA political trends. TMC is not the thread to discuss all of CA politics though (nor do I really care to do it, only mentioned some things to rooter as he, or she, seems to be confused about some fairly general concepts).

 

[djlott]

I have lived in Silicon Valley but not for almost 2 decades, so my personal experience living there is very dated. I do however spend a few weeks there every year and have friends and coworkers who live there (though some have moved in the last few years to places like Austin, Boston, Portland, or Seattle and say they like it better). I also read and hear about laws and decisions CA imposes on their residents, hence my comment as it relates to this thread of SF not enforcing property crimes being along the lines of general CA political trends. TMC is not the thread to discuss all of CA politics though (nor do I really care to do it, only mentioned some things to rooter as he, or she, seems to be confused about some fairly general concepts).

Ok well then at least you have real CA experiences. I defend the state against many who do not. Good discussion.

 

[Lloyd]

So, as a conservative you have never advocated for less government intervention in our lives?

And now that they give you exactly what you wanted... you complain?!

You are a confused person.

Less government does not mean less enforcement of the laws that we all voted on, or our representatives did. The police used to be there to protect the lives and property of everyone, rich, poor, conservative or liberal. This is not the case anymore. We have gone too far out of our way to be PC, and not send the poor homeless guy to jail. (our jails are too full and we don't have room for them) The problem with this is that it perpetuates itself until lawlessness becomes the norm and all of our citizens suffer as a result.

 

[jon1478]

You are certainly a Libertarian whitex, given your posting history. Taken to its mathematical conclusion that means no stop signs, no red lights, libraries, courts. Neighbor's house catches on fire too bad, he should have paid for fire service. Why should you have to pay for fire service for him?

Bend things as you like, but you're not being honest with yourself.

I say bring it on. People need to actually see the consequences of their actions.


Don't use contrast. I haven't used Windows regularly for 22 years but if Linux, in Gimp you want to adjust Color|Levels. There's an Auto button that will improve that. And a slider to lighten or darken more if need be.

Nm, even I can't fix that image. Dreadful camera, BTW.

My posting history.... Hahah about batteries and Tesla cars? Who's posts are you reading?? Anyone can view my posting history of 42 posts and see your're making false and politically and/or emotionally charged statements.

Btw, please don't call me names (especially made up ones). I googled whitex and can't figure out what you meant. Yes, I see it is your username.... I do get complements regularly on my teeth --- but no I don't use anything on them.

If your inferring that I'm a racist... All I can say is your wrong and a horrible person for making a character attack on me without any evidence.

If I were to see any type of racism -- I would call it out... Please don't label me or attack my character with no evidence. Thanks and hope you had a Great Christmas and wonderful new year .

 

[jon1478]

Funny thing about this WhiteX is your "Peoples Republic of CA comments" was one of the comments that started this entire political side thread. Going by what you read and hear about CA and that our state doesn't care about peoples property is nonsense. I've lived here my whole life and it's a great state, and I take it you've never lived here. And if that's so, how can you possibly make the comments that you do with the confidence that you portray in your posts?

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way!

 

[jon1478]

So, as a conservative you have never advocated for less government intervention in our lives?

And now that they give you exactly what you wanted... you complain?!

You are a confused person.

By the way, there was a bit of sarcasm in the second portion of this post. I thought it was understood but I guess I was incorrect.

 

[mainecoon]

Blame Prop 47 in California. It got passed with a whopping 60% of the vote back in Nov '14. The scumbags that write those ballot initiatives in those voter pamphlets are expert wordsmiths with their lies. People got hosed. Since then property crimes, car break-in, have soared in San Francisco and the rest of the State. The police unfortunately do nothing because they are misdemeanors and not a felony. State law prohibits officers for arresting criminals for misdemeanor crimes they did not personally observe.

Maybe someday soon the voters will wake the F up and put together a repeal of this incredibly flawed law and do what's right for a change.

Please do your part now and sign this petition and then send it to your friends:

Sign the petition: REPEAL PROP 47

Let's get this nonsense repealed already.

 

[SDRick]

Blame Prop 47 in California. It got passed with a whopping 60% of the vote back in Nov '14. The scumbags that write those ballot initiatives in those voter pamphlets are expert wordsmiths with their lies. People got hosed. Since then property crimes, car break-in, have soared in San Francisco and the rest of the State. The police unfortunately do nothing because they are misdemeanors and not a felony. State law prohibits officers for arresting criminals for misdemeanor crimes they did not personally observe.

Maybe someday soon the voters will wake the F up and put together a repeal of this incredibly flawed law and do what's right for a change.

Please do your part now and sign this petition and then send it to your friends:

Sign the petition: REPEAL PROP 47

Let's get this nonsense repealed already.

 

[SDRick]

I find it disturbing that rather than being a sanctuary from crime and criminals the state is moving toward being a sanctuary for crime and criminals. Why is this a good thing and what is the upside?

 

[whitex]

I find it disturbing that rather than being a sanctuary from crime and criminals the state is moving toward being a sanctuary for crime and criminals. Why is this a good thing and what is the upside?

California is the great social experiment of alt left political correctness. Maybe the US needs one state like this...

 

[Vitold]

Think the ocmplaint is that the bums in the city are imune from prosecution. When you go by their encampments, which are all over the place, no police will be seen. There are hypodermic needles, but no arrests. People litter like crazy but no arrests. There are towering piles of bicycles, obviously stolen, but no arrests.

They have their own communities that are above the law. Drivers with Mexican plates (Font BC) never get parking tickets, because the city has no way to collect on them. Hygine and standards that would never be allowed in a legimate restaurant are glossed over as people cook in make shift kitchens. Toilets are not available, so you can imagine what goes on.

People drink out of open bottles on the sidewalks, while citizens cannot take a beer to the beach without getting a big fine. Double standards every where.

My heart goes out to people living in these encampments, but seeing the city officials doing nothing to control their filth is hard to watch.

Arrest? Jail? Who is supposed to pay for that and what happens after incarceration. I am really surprised that some still want to take us back to 20th century.

What we need is longer school time and better opportunities for the youth.

 

[whitex]

What we need is longer school time and better opportunities for the youth.

Length of school time doesn't translate to much, as our public school system seems more about babysitting than education nowadays. What we need is affordable or even free quality education for those who want it, which should translate to better opportunities. Those who don't want it, should be offered workfare (free job from the government instead which will sustain you, but will also take ~11 hours out of each workday, with commute time included, so you don't have time to think about petty crimes). Either way, you should not be decriminalizing smash and grab or petty theft crimes, as that just encourages more of it to happen.

Of course, that's just my opinion. Having moved out of California, I can sit back and watch how this, and other social experiments, work out for the state. California can teach the rest of the states by example - what that lesson will be, only time will tell.

 

[djlott]

@whitex Seriously, your post is horseshit. School time absolutely matters. If you have kids, I hope that you're not telling them otherwise.

And seriously, you live in Seattle right? You're calling CA a social experiment? I think you're throwing stones in a glass house.

 

[whitex]

@whitex Seriously, your post is horseshit. School time absolutely matters. If you have kids, I hope that you're not telling them otherwise.

And seriously, you live in Seattle right? You're calling CA a social experiment? I think you're throwing stones in a glass house.

Believe what you want. I don't put my kids through the public school system, even though I do pay taxes for it. WA rates #26 out of all states (CA ranks #38 for reference) for college readiness (source). Keep in mind US doesn't rank that high worldwide to begin with (source). Furthermore the K-12 schools where I live today rank in the bottom 10% of the state (moving to a better area would cost me more than privately schooling my kids). My kids have friends who attend public schools in different districts and they talk - it seems they really don't do much at school, some get a bunch of busy-work for homework, but not a while lot of learning, and those who excel are one with parents supplementing their education outside of school. I have a friend with a kid who can't read fluently in grade 4, they begged the school to hold the kid back, but no, school has quota to push kids through no matter the education. There are exceptions, of course. A friend in NH sends his kids to one of their best schools and school is great (also ranks high in US), but sadly, most of the US public schools are not that great.

So sorry, you can call it horseshit or whatever else you want, but you won't convince me that simply increasing the amount of time students spend in public school will increase their education.

As for social experimentation, all states do it, WA is no exception but it's nowhere near CA. I just hope CA continues their lead and the rest of the states can learn from their results.