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I hope Tesla doesn't offer a convertible of either the S or the Bluestar. Engineering a convertible is a waste of resources. I would rather their efforts went into building a more efficient body or drivetrain.

How many convertibles sell each year? They don't need to chase microscopic niche markets.
 
Convertible adds cost. I suspect that the initial version would be just a straight coupe. Cost focus: 'Cut until it bleeds, then cut once more'.

Eric, I think the doors in the mock-up are short - are there any 2+2s with doors as short as 4 door sedans? I would have the rear wheels back by 2-3", the doors longer by about 4-5". That would start to get into 911 wheelbase length and door size. (Are the Roadsters' doors longer than the 911's? Don't seem to be, but then they're lighter, so maybe? My memory of my 911 is fading, I just remember those 911 doors always seemed to be worrisome about hitting something...)

A coupe with a frunk would really put it into a class by itself.


Could they keep the same design languages when cutting the cost? Do they want to? What's the relationship with the Roadster 3.0 going to be? The styling is going to have to be different, but even then, there's always the threat of falling into the 'Boxter/Caymen is just a detuned defeatured 911' territory (not that my 911 had terribly many 'features' beyond the killer clutch, gearbox and sweet engine - for an ICE, of course, for an ICE...).

Agreed convertibles add costs. I see them coming out with a 4 door sedan first and then a 2 door coupe after that and finally a convertible and or station wagon after that. If they do a cross over I think it will be between the 4 door sedan and the 2 door coupe and if they do I think the station wagon will not be done.
 
Convertibles are nice. But I see no need for a hardtop convertible. At first blush, I was a little disappointed that the Roadster's top has to be removed/replaced by hand. But I've rented convertibles when traveling, and the Roadster's top comes off and goes on in about the same amount of time as the motorized tops on those rental cars. (Been to Hawai'i twice. Rented a convertible each time.) But if they do make a convertible ever again, they should definitely offer an optional mesh top, like the Taylor mesh top for the Roadster/Lotus. (The ability to have interchangeable tops is a good reason to have them taken off & put on manually.)

(I just wish we'd get some decent weather this year, so I could take the top off!)
 
Convertibles are nice. But I see no need for a hardtop convertible. At first blush, I was a little disappointed that the Roadster's top has to be removed/replaced by hand. But I've rented convertibles when traveling, and the Roadster's top comes off and goes on in about the same amount of time as the motorized tops on those rental cars. (Been to Hawai'i twice. Rented a convertible each time.) But if they do make a convertible ever again, they should definitely offer an optional mesh top, like the Taylor mesh top for the Roadster/Lotus. (The ability to have interchangeable tops is a good reason to have them taken off & put on manually.)

(I just wish we'd get some decent weather this year, so I could take the top off!)

I find it very hard to believe that you can remove and stow(somewhere) the Roadster top in 22 seconds. That is the time it takes me to fold my top into the trunk. I perfer hardtops because I like the look of a sedan when I have it up and for the vandalism factor of a softtop.
 
Even with that longer door, there's still no way to roll the window down.

Yup. That would require some minor B pillar for a seamless window to close water tight. One Example is Jaguar XK:
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I would love to see a Tesla with a design of the Alfa Romea Guilietta or the BMW series 1. Maybe it's too small for the US, but it would sell really good in Europe. Much better design than the Golf at least

I'd love to see that too but that is heading into the Leaf size territory. I think it's safer at this point for Tesla to stick with styles and sizes that no one else is doing - especially the Leaf. Maybe after the Gen III and Tesla has solidified their position in the market and established their brand and name.
 
I have a question? I live in MN. I'm insulating and heating the garage this month with and industrial Thermostat to keep the garage at 45 degrees for the winter. It's nice getting into a warm car and also takes the stress off the batteries. I'm also installing a 220 outlet in the ceiling for a Gen 111. The cord would come from above allowing us to walk around the car when pluged in. the outlet would have to be forward of the garage door when it is in the up position. How long is the power cord on the model S? I would need a 10' to 12' cord if outlet on Gen 111 is in the same area as model S. It would be nice if they put it on the front half of the car on Gen111.
 
Odds are that all Tesla will have sockets at the right driver's rear of the car like both Tesla out now. Especially now that the Superchargers site cords are in concrete, positioned by the right rear tire of a nose-in car and have a cord that is about 4' long (short)
 
I'd love to see that too but that is heading into the Leaf size territory. I think it's safer at this point for Tesla to stick with styles and sizes that no one else is doing - especially the Leaf. Maybe after the Gen III and Tesla has solidified their position in the market and established their brand and name.

I think LEAF is the perfect mainstream size. Tesla wants GenIII to be a high volume vehicles, so I think they should jump in the mix with all the other vehicles in that size range. Note, LEAF is almost identical in size to the GenIII Prius.
 
While we all cannot wait for the Model S to come out, I know that most of us also are anticipating the BlueStar. The fun exersize for this thread is to come up with a "Wish List" of what features you would love to see in the blue star. Maybe tesla will read this, and get some ideas :)

For me, the perfect BlueStar would be :

Size : Similar to a Ford Fusion or Hyundai Sonata.

Styling : I love the styling of the Model S, and would love to see some of the styling cues carry over. I also love the "hatchback that does not look like a hatchback" design of the S, and would love to see that layout carry over.

Range : I really think that Tesla hit the ideal range on the head with the roadster. 240 miles seems to be the sweet spot, where most people would not even need to think about range, and simply drive as much as they want to throughout the day. The 160 mile range really does work for most people today, but assuming a 30% loss at highway speeds, and a 30% loss of range near the end of the life of the battery, the 160 might not work for everyone for the entire life of the car. I would like to see the base Blue Star have a 240 mile range. A long range 400 mile option would be the other variant, at a significant price premium. The 400 mile ferry range also opens up a lot of options for people who want to drive their car to a service center, rather than pay for the tesla rangers to come out.

Interior : I would love to see the all touch screen interface carry over. With the smaller car, I would scale down the screen, for both style and cost reasons. A 12-14 inch touchscreen would be perfect for the Blue Star. I think the microfiber / leather options on the S are good, and would like to see those carry over with similar pricing.

Wheels : I would love to see 17 inch alloy wheels standard, with 19's being an option (hopefully with something as eye catching as the turbine wheels on the S)

Performance : 0-60 in 6 seconds would be perfect. A sport model with 0-60 in under 5 would also be a great option (at a significant price premium) A top speed of 120 should work across the board.

Price : This is the big one. I would target $35,000 as the base price for the 240 mile model ($27,500 after the tax credit) The 400 mile model would have a target price of $55 before tax credits, and the signature, fully loaded, would be priced at $70,000. I would try to price the sport model at $65000, and the Signature Sport at $75,000. I also suspect that the blue start coming to market will force a downshift in the price of the Model S by $5-10K for each model.

Battery Guarantee : This is actually the big one. The blue star is at a price point that appeals to people who do not own 2 cars, and cannot afford to buy a second car latter on if the range degrades to much. As a result, All models of the blue star need to have the 8 year unlimited mile guarantee. The average person buying a blue star is probably not an EVangelist, and needs to know that the car will meet their needs of tomorrow as well as it meets their needs of today.

Options : Options should include a second on board charger, moon roof, premium sound, several different tech packaged (to not force people to pay the full $3500 if they only want one feature) several options for wheels, super charger capabilities (an option on all models, included standard in nothing but the signature), and leather seats. Heated seats should be an option on all models, not just leather.

Charger : The new charger for the model S is great, and I would love to see it carry over to the bluestar. I would also like to see an inexpensive 110v charger that could be used when you need to park in an area that you are concerned about cord theft, but would like to get a few extra miles throughout the day (for example, charging for a full day at work, a 110 would provide me with all the miles I used to get work, letting me leave the office with a full charge. The only problem is, I would never trust a $1000 charger that I need to fully charge my vehicle from 240v at home to be sitting in the parking lot for anyone to grab all day long) I would not hesitate to use a $150 charger that if I loose it, my car does not become a paperweight until it is replaced.



This is my wish list for BlueStar. What is yours?

In addition to Model S options I would like:

1) Bmw series 3 dimensions
2) power folding mirrors
3) ventilated front seats having also Shiatsu massage (some Audi cars have it)
4) 400 miles range
5) head up display
6) AWD
7) proximity sensors
 
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In past years I would have never mentioned Hyundai in this context, but I think they have made great strides to become a world class car maker.

If Tesla offered something like an EV Elantra, I would be very interested...
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I think the styling looks current, and the size is just right.

Other wish list items would be:
* Great performance
* Decent range
* Low price
* Rear wheel drive, or even AWD
* Quick charging capable
 
I want available all of the luxury features in most of the upper brands (BMW, Audi, Lexus, Merc). If Tesla is touting being a Premium car I do NOT want that in the Gen 3. What I want is a luxury car. The Model S is innovative and appealing but if it was an ICE I would not even consider it. Likewise if Gen 3 follows those lines I will not consider it either. I am hoping for a luxury hardtop convertible. I LOVE my 3 series and want something on those lines. I realize that the convertible will be after a sedan but that is ok. I want all the bells and whistles and a 300 mile range for about 50-60K and the base can start at about 30K with the 40kWh pack.
 
Reminder: Tesla plans to go downmarket over time and enter the mainstream. They need to start leaving off some luxury amenities if they are to get to a price point that captures mainstream interest.

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...The strategy of Tesla is to enter at the high end of the market, where customers are prepared to pay a premium, and then drive down market as fast as possible to higher unit volume and lower prices with each successive model...
 
TEG brings up a good point. Elon increasingly talks about affordability for the Gen 3. To be mainstream I would like to see Gen 3 be in $30ishk range (after tax credit if that is still available) with the 6oKWh pack. Tesla has stated battery prices are decreasing by 7-8%/yr which if true will help off set the larger pack. Added costs like folding mirrors would be nice as long as they are optional. BMW Series 3 is just the right size.
-Good performance (doesn't have to be great) >6 seconds 0-60
-250+ range base model
-hatch back (adds versatility)
-Quick charge