Webeevdrivers
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And how's that's worked out since he's been saying it?
Negociations are still ongoing. Ask me in a month.
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And how's that's worked out since he's been saying it?
...DJI still up month over month. You can't really use a day chart as evidence...
FWIW, my small (25 employee) family business uses ~90,000 lbs of flat sheet galvanized .0356" steel a week. It is similar to what is used in the auto industry. The product we manufacture is ~80% steel. On Wednesday we purchased flat sheet at ~$27.00 sheet, on Thursday we paid ~$34.00 a sheet. The mills are not waiting to see if the tariffs go into affect. We had to immediately raise our prices 4% just to cover costs.
Not sure the percentage of steel in a Model 3, but lets say it's 25%, that would equate to ~1% price increase to cover cost. Or a 1% cut off the bottom line.
In 25 years of running this business it is the only time anything like this has ever happened. During the Bush tariffs we had similar increases, however at a slower pace, something like a 6 months. Our steel cost literally jumped 25% in 12 hours.
So the supplier is blaming a tarrif that doesn't even exist. Sounds like they got one over on you. When a supplier tried something like that at he Hyd play I worked I simply canceled the order and sent out bid requests to all of the competitors. They eventually called back by lunch to give us the same pricing we had before the imaginary supply shortage showed up. If you couldn't hold out for one day on an order it sounds like you need to figure some warehousing out and lower your holding cost.
Because Tesla doesn't use steel in the vehicle....and that fellow isn't a mouthpiece so an entity with a large stake in having the tariffs to boost Al prices so good to take his citation-free number at face value.....oh wait.
What are they gonna do considering that they don't buy anything from us?Obviously this will escalate. The EU has already responded saying they will put Tarrifs on certain American goods. Harley’s, Levi’s etc. Canada will do the same. Since about half of all Tesla’s are exported this will effect them as well as other auto manufacturers. If Canada puts a let’s say a 15 percent tariff on cars coming out of the US as retaliation for the steel tarrifs we won’t be getting either a Tesla or a Leaf unless we import the leafs from the Japanese factory. We’will Look at European EV’s closer when the time comes. We’ll look for Canadian goods first, then Mexican, then European then Chinese then anywhere else before buying American. American will go the same but in reverse order of course. Only makes sense. Gotta stand with your country. The world is going to change in the next couple
years.
There's already a 25 percent tax on Tesla's sold in China!The real risk to Tesla (And others) is a trade war, not the price of materials going up slightly. Imagine 25% tariffs being placed on Tesla's sold in the EU, China or elsewhere... Hopefully cooler heads will prevail but these are the latest headlines:
Trump tweets: "Trade wars are good, and easy to win"
Source: Trump tweets: 'Trade wars are good, and easy to win'
"Trump said the U.S. may levy a 25 percent tax on cars exported from the European Union, which could impact popular brands sold stateside"
Source: Trump threatens to slap retaliatory tariff on European cars as trade war talks heats up
And for history buffs, here's what happened the last time:
Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act - Wikipedia
Well, they (the EU) buy Teslas. And.so do we in Canada. We also buy Nissan Leafs for example (made in Tennessee). The two EV’s we were considering are both made in the USA. Now both will be off our list if there is a trade war as well as every other product made in the USA. Like most countries we tend to bring up our families to try and buy Canadian products first. And if you can’t buy it from a Canadian manufacturer then buy from an ally like the USA. The president of the USA is enacting this tarrif under the pretense that Canada as well as the EU are threats to the security of the USA. Therefore Canada and all the EU countries are enemies of the USA.. Not a good idea to support the enemy by purchasing goods from them. Its just the way trade wars go. No big deal, there’s always alternatives for products but trade wars definetly have a trickle down affect. Hopefully cooler heads prevail but we all gotta do what we all gotta do.What are they gonna do considering that they don't buy anything from us?
Do you understand what $800 billion trade deficit mean?? That's $2.5 billion that we ship overseas everyday.
What are they gonna escalate with? Harley's and levis? Trust me there are likely 5 times more Mercedes and BMWs in Los Angeles County alone than Harley's in the entire European Union.
So the supplier is blaming a tarrif that doesn't even exist. Sounds like they got one over on you. When a supplier tried something like that at he Hyd play I worked I simply canceled the order and sent out bid requests to all of the competitors. They eventually called back by lunch to give us the same pricing we had before the imaginary supply shortage showed up. If you couldn't hold out for one day on an order it sounds like you need to figure some warehousing out and lower your holding cost.
WTF? EU imports roughly 1/2 T$ of US goods&serivecs/year.What are they gonna do considering that they don't buy anything from us?
Do you understand what $800 billion trade deficit mean?? That's $2.5 billion that we ship overseas everyday.
Calculations are that steel or aluminum increase will be less than $100 per vehicle per Stuart Varney on the news this am.