RobStark
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Its not going to get cheaper then asphalt because that product is only made to last 15 years,
My dad's asphalt roof is 22 years old. Without any maintenance or repairs.
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Its not going to get cheaper then asphalt because that product is only made to last 15 years,
Based on the fact that he is one of the biggest bull for TSLA, I'd assume that it's gonna move a needle quite a bit. I am really hoping I am wrong though.Based on historical data, do Adam Jonas notes move the SP or not?
IIRC they actually do move the SP and they move it in the direction intended by the corresponding note.
Having just looked into doing a Tesla solar roof on a large home in the midwest, it is roughly 10x more expensive than doing an asphalt roof with solar panels here. Payoff on the asphalt/solar panels is way way quicker than the Tesla solar tiles. The only real argument for it is that it looks better than a traditional roof with solar panels. Let's see them out in the wild and find out about that, but I'm not sure that many of us will pay 10x more for a better looking roof that provides similar solar energy to an asphalt/solar panels roof. The infinity argument is limited since not many of us actually plan to spend infinity in our homes let alone even 20+ years. Perhaps it will maintain the value of the home better but that remains to be seen as well. I like the product but I wish it was a lot cheaper!
My dad's asphalt roof is 22 years old. Without any maintenance or repairs.
Having just looked into doing a Tesla solar roof on a large home in the midwest, it is roughly 10x more expensive than doing an asphalt roof with solar panels here. Payoff on the asphalt/solar panels is way way quicker than the Tesla solar tiles. The only real argument for it is that it looks better than a traditional roof with solar panels. Let's see them out in the wild and find out about that, but I'm not sure that many of us will pay 10x more for a better looking roof that provides similar solar energy to an asphalt/solar panels roof. The infinity argument is limited since not many of us actually plan to spend infinity in our homes let alone even 20+ years. Perhaps it will maintain the value of the home better but that remains to be seen as well. I like the product but I wish it was a lot cheaper!
This discussion doesn't belong here. Let's keep the threads on topic please.Your doing the wrong calculation. Why would any expect there roof to pay for itself. You need to look at only the cost for the solar portion and compare that to panels. You would get more value from the tile roof then the asphalt, meaning your house will be worth more after the job is done with tile vs asphalt.
Lucky him. Hail and wind can destroy an asphalt roof quick. Also intense heat/sun can lower the life. Your Warrenty doesn't cover hail and wind.
I wonder if the warranty covering hail on a Tesla solar roof would negate increased insurance costs?Lucky him. Hail and wind can destroy an asphalt roof quick. Also intense heat/sun can lower the life. Your Warrenty doesn't cover hail and wind.
Based on the fact that he is one of the biggest bull for TSLA, I'd assume that it's gonna move a needle quite a bit. I am really hoping I am wrong though.
Y2KTo be fair, the dot com bubble happened for very specific reasons
I don't know what crack everyone is smoking. Complete loss on me over here looking at the Tesla roof. I had a roof put on my house and it was over $12,000 in 2003. That roof was an imitation asphalt shingle 50 year roof (which really doesn't last 50 years.)
That $11,300 is insanely cheap. What's the SqFt of your roof, and general location? Seriously, I would consider swapping out my metal roof with something as low as 20% solar tiles if it is that cheap.. Time to take a look at the calculator.. Man.I don't know what crack everyone is smoking. Complete loss on me over here looking at the Tesla roof. I had a roof put on my house and it was over $12,000 in 2003. That roof was an imitation asphalt shingle 50 year roof (which really doesn't last 50 years.)
I just ran the price for a Tesla roof with no solar and.... ITS CHEAPER THE SHINGLES! $11,300.
I just had 12kW of solar put on my roof three years ago. It was over $55,000 not including credits and tax incentives. Tesla's solar roof is CHEAPER than my roof plus the my solar.
The problem is Tesla is not releasing the information like what is the kWh of the their roof.
I don't think people are actually doing the math or I am doing something wrong with the Tesla calculator.
@mulder1231 -- thanks for the update.
Out of curiosity, does Jonas add any color on why they haven't updated their production estimates since he says others in the market have (although the market is still forecasting well below Tesla's estimates, according to him). How does he justify his estimate of only 90,000 Model 3s in 2018, for example?
"Model 3 expectations appear to have recovered substantially over the last 4 months. Earlier this year investor expectations for Model 3 hit a trough with most investors we spoke with at that time expecting zero deliveries of the model during 2017 A series of subsequent reiterations from management and the spotting of release candidates testing on public roads have increased expectations of timing and volume significantly. Although we cannot quantify what the market expectation is at this point, we believe our forecast of 2k Model 3 deliveries this year is substantially below current market expectations. Looking to 2018, we believe our 90k volume forecast is also far below Street expectations, possibly one-half or one-third market expectations for Model 3 volume next year."
I don't think he is all that lucky. This is typical around these parts.
We live in a desert with lots of heat/sun. But no real hail/wind damage here.
Man; you guys must all live in bungalow style mansions.
10,000 sqft roof on a house is humongous. I ran the numbers for my brother's 950sqft roof. It works, cheaper than asphalt, and without the 30% ITC (because we're in Canada.)
My brother's house is small at around 1000 sqft 1.5 storey, but even my parents 2020sqft 2-storey house (which is quite average in our area) only has somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 sqft of roof surface area.
If you have 10,000 sqft of roof area, you probably only need maybe 20% of it active to generate your daily energy needs. My brother's house needed 95% active, which I don't even know if that's actually possible.
When people get there car and start charging at home they will find what I did. Your electric bill goes up as your gas bill goes down. This was my experience and I went from 15 year payback to 5 year literally over night.