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That ain’t true. One of the level 4 requirement is automation can only occur in pre-determined condition (it’s specifically stated inside the SAE-J3016 document). CA DMV also specifically mentioned that in its testing permit- 227.02.B.2 adapting SAE-J3016

I stand corrected on the authorizing agency. But you misunderstood the legal requirement comment. Per SAE-J3616- geo fencing is required to gain certification of L4. CA adapted the same requirement of geo fencing/ sand box. As of today- Waymo does not have state wide commercial operation...

Actually no. Elon is CEO of Tesla- his comment on FSD does have liability. One of the main reason why both civil and criminal case on FSD is progressing.

I think tesla fan totally misunderstood how certification works for self driving permit. 1. In US because there is no federal laws in self driving. All of their permitting and granting of operating license is done at city/state level. 2. For Waymo to get into particular city- it has to...

Tesla legal already stated FSD is a failure in court. What else is needed to prove that Tesla was on the wrong path from day one. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-12-08/tesla-lawsuit-full-self-driving-technology-failure-not-fraud?_amp=true In addition- Let me clarify how self...

Geofencing is actually required by law. It’s not technical limitation. Per regulation- all L4 operator needs to demonstrate reliability of it system with in area of operation during testing. Only hitting the threshold before license for operation can be granted.

To be fair. It's not easy to build a car or truck right off the bat. Tesla was also hand building cars before. I wouldn't throw company under the bus for that. I actually think more blame should be placed on financial market. The main reason that I jumped into this thread is more on how...

So true. Even with hard data :) fan boy will always be fan boy. what makes you think you are the only expert here? Having been now involved in Self driving and actual EV industry for probably way much longer on EE architecture and entire HW/SW stack. I have never been impressed by what comes...

Lucid actually delivered car to paying customers, whether you like it or not. 800v architecture is also one of the leading edge one. The fact EPA rating verified the efficiency is already more proof then any of the startup out there. Scam? Not when they have actual proof. Problem- every new...

I personally think Lucid is far more solid than rivian. Have it occurred to you why Rivian Mpge is in such a low range? Why would Ford walk away? It’s not like Ford is front running in EV tech and self driving platform. Morgan Stanley underwritten the Rivian IPO so it’s going out of its way...

i really think you need to do more fact finding. As stated before I work in the Full Driving field up to my retirement 4 months ago. I am also likely returning in the field in near future because I am pissing off my wife at home. Tesla has nothing on the FSD side. It will always remain a L2+...

Tesla was tiny too. Remember that too. Rivian doesn’t need retail to survive. Amazon backing in both funding and order already gave Rivian a strong base. Tesla autopilot and FSD is an liability not a selling point if Elon keeps on trying to over promise. NHTSA and FTC is just beginning...

to be fair in both my kid model Y and my departed model S- when I am nearing triple digit- the Y got just under 160 miles range and S wasn’t much better at 180-190. Your point? Lucid is more efficient that is a fact soon.

1. Bosch does not allow any automotive OEM to re-write or touch any of the software related to the brakes and ibooster. So that claim is totally false. Tesla can only modify how it sends command to the brake (interface). 2. ESC is totally different concept here. It’s triggered by yaw...

the problem is people doesn’t bother to read actual data. Geofencing is required for level 4. Per both SAE standard and CA/AZ rule. That was the main reason CA DMV went after Elon and Tesla last October. Because Tesla does not have permit to test Self Driving function. Tesla legal formally...

I am in process of getting t a Model Y for my daughter. Given that I don’t trust tesla FSD approach nor want her to enable performance options etc. I really don’t want to turn over the Tesla account to her because I really don’t want her buying any options. Is it possible to still grant her...

It really depends on what you are trying to solve. If Elon think he can solve L4/L5 without GPU, all powers to him. It easy to get 10x performance out of arm thru lithography change without impacting power consumption that much. I think this is fundamentally the difference between what Tesla...

I can’t say too much on their architecture. At least what I am working on. The general CPU is an ARM (I won’t disclose). GPU is still needed to process the raw image from camera and imaging radar. So i don’t buy Elon comment on a drop in ARM to replace the GPU. Because they serve different...

Then you can keep your mouth shut too :)

Sorry I don’t believe in genius nor pretend to be one. I just won’t be a fan boy and bury my head in sand and see people get killed on an over promised system. All companies make mistakes. I think Tesla is making a strategic one. It may appear to be tactical mistakes viewing in isolation...

Because it freedom of speech and people has right to hear things from different perspective.

Son- you really didn’t understand the issue. 1. New box cost money to make. Given the amount of compute power needed. Cooling the box, providing the power to the box will be a problem. 2. The amount of memory, higher power components all cost money. This ain’t cheap either. 3. ARM...

Fundamentally having worked in the top three companies mentioned. The approach to design, solve a problem, and sell to customer is very different. None of the top three would over promise and under deliver. Waymo was 9 years in the making without a market when it started. iPhone was 2...

The problem with this analysis is many fold. 1. Amazon had specific business plan and knows and tightly control how much to lose on each new product it launches. From day one there was a loss target which Amazon stuck to. That is why it never broke the company. This financial discipline...

Lastly- Tesla isn’t like BYD who build their EV without a lot of standard and safety requirement. If you even had a chance to take look at BYD E6 and look at their HV wiring. You would understand why an ISO standard is needed. It for your own safety. Again- you totally missed the point...

I don’t think you really read this and actually work on it. Redundancy is build on system level- component level reliability also need to be demonstrated. The reason I posted this document on NHTSA review of various electronic safety standard as this will form the basis of regulation down the...

That is the fallacy for outsider :). The quality of data that Waymo has accumulated since its inception is much better than what Tesla has done. Number of car matters if the cars a equipped to capture good data. None of current Tesla sensor suite, camera systems can match the data quality...

The problem is that Tesla won’t win and probably wouldn’t even be a leader in this front. What would make anyone think that Tesla can catch up to likes of Waymo, Zoox, cruise???

Why? I think twitter is a good place to blow off some steam. Personally speaking that makes Elon more human and more realistic. I personally think this is irrelevant to how the company and product is doing. People in this forum should be more concern with actual content in the product...

I was just responding previous poster asking which Fremont I live. Obviously you guys can take it out of context as much as you can. I just find you guys amusing that is all.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/812285_electronicsreliabilityreport.pdf If you have problem with it. Take it up to NHTSA.

Actually no. As part of ISO26262 requirement,digital cluster and its software and HW system is required to be ASIL D.

This is assuming the quality of data that Tesla collects is as good as Waymo is collecting. Amount of data does not equate to quality of data. So far Waymo is only company that can run up to 5600 miles in full level 4 mode without driver intervention.

1. You probably don’t realize that I have that exact panel on my desk at this moment :). And no. The power is actually provided by the 12V network. 2. Tesla can’t do Waymo autonomy. One simple fact- there isn’t failsafe redundancy build in. You should really spend time understand what...

I am telling you that is complete BS. To do level 4 the amount of data needed to be processed real time isn’t just 2GPU. I will leave it at that. Also HD maps is needed regardless of HW is being run on. :). Please don’t lecture me on AD and ADAS functionality. I just find it amusing that...

Because you didn’t work for him. Like I said the decision he made internally and sacrifice he decided. Isn’t kosher. Good or bad. It doesn’t really matter to me. Because everyone warned him and he just never listens. That is the difference between Steve and Elon. Like I said. SV is a...

I live in Mission San Jose which is about 10 min drive from TSLA factory in Fremont. ASIL rating is a safety requirement that includes no fail and full redundancy. For level 4 and above you will need to be ASIL D certify. In addition, the cluster itself because of safety requirement should be...

I don’t own any TSLA stock. Just happened to know a lot more :). Silicon Valley is a small fraternity:). Elon doesn’t suck. But he doesn’t have the humility to know when he is wrong. Autopilot HW is a good example where he backtracked :). But I applaud him making the decision to make his...

Pretty much all electronics manufacturer with scale would have custom part number that isn’t sourceable in open market. Tesla volume is drop in a bucket.

Perhaps it’s not only the spotlight, may be its Elon Ego. Over promise and under deliver. I would be really interested to see when Tesla offers true autonomy on the 2.0 hardware. Because anyone who work in this field would tell you that the amount of compute bandwidth, lack of redundancy in...