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  1. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Do we have any idea when this latest report is drawing data from? Did they dump half their shares in the last 2 months? (Unlikely) Unless it's showing them as a big buyer under 200 somehow I don't know if this is very bullish?? Okay...well MS and BAC or something then. Which he still deals with...
  2. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Elon should be allowed to sell shares if he needs to, but the careless way in which he does it on the open market is awful. Gary Black has said he could offer to sell 20m shares or whatever it was to GS/MS at a 5% discount. Instead Elon sold .89% of the float Mon-Wednesday and tanked the SP by...
  3. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Certainly could be? I'm trying to get a better understanding of this as it could be tradeable information. I remember Tesla having calls in the past but they were special like 5 year options they had created, not bought on the open market as these may have been? My Bank manager sent me this...
  4. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Hello! Long time, just popped in to see if there was any commentary on the large Tesla call options opened this week. 220,000 calls dated Sep 2023 - Jan 2025. 150-175 strike. $1.4B in option premium, will be another 3.5B to execute these contracts for 22m shares. I can't really confirm these...
  5. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    There was a glitch in the matrix and I received a message from the future. Year unknown. Hold! Sorry I've been withholding this from you all for some time.
  6. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Soooo when he's asked "What's it like to be Elon" and he replies.... "You wouldn't want to be me" That's what he had in mind for his future? My feel on if he had to start over would he create Tesla again is "no" based on other interviews. The personal attacks and hardships would have destroyed...
  7. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Bit of a personal take on the SNL with Elon I saw it as trying to change public perception of Elon almost the entire show. He's legitimately a good dude who's sacrificed an easy life post paypal to save humanity - course I don't need to tell you all that. Monologue - explains his goals, tells...
  8. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    ARKK topped up on a couple (49,755) shares today
  9. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Another level? You mean like Tesla building another factory in China? I'm game :) Don't play their game just keep succeeding. Also, anybody else wondering why Karpathy is working on Bitcoin stuff and not autopilot? o_O Autopilot complete? Some integration of Tesla's computing/energy generation...
  10. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I believe it's all posted as pictures here on twitter. TLDR, had the fire out in 2-3 minutes. MSM sucks.
  11. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Mmm, poster is @FrankSG correct me if I'm wrong. He's put some serious legwork into making sense of Tesla in multiple very thorough blog posts. Personally I think he's an outstanding contributor and I put a good amount of weighting on anything he says to be accurate or on the right track. So I'm...
  12. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It's a pretty irrelevant metric for a company who just turned profitable no? Any company in that situation is near infinite P/E. P/E seems fine for a company who has been profitable for a decade. Much better off looking at projected revenue or any other marker IMO. Won't stop some people from...
  13. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Definitely wireless chargers in the headrest of Tesla seats...... Smart, I like this price increase Now as opposed to post tax credit. Much better narrative. Hopefully they do one or two more if the demand allows it. Unlike the naysayers I believe this is worth doing as if we've forgotten that...
  14. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yeah seems like decent TA. Just wanted to point out he said TSLA could test 557 then 510 as resistance so bit more resistance on the way down.
  15. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Hmm, well I don't have any more money to throw at this thing - I went into some margin to buy the dip. On the chance we dip a bit further may I ask what was the trick to stave off a margin call for a bit? Was it buying short duration far OTM puts and how much margin does each option offset? TIA
  16. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Supposedly it's optional, I've yet to see one photographed though.
  17. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    That was all the stop loss orders @ 750.
  18. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Hmm. Came here looking for info, wondering where this speculation is coming from #GigaStrabane (Northern Ireland) Curious if this goes anywhere... https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/GigaStrabane?src=hashtag_click
  19. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    ARKK in with another 72,120 shares today =) Ready for that report!
  20. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Nah, they just raised cash not long ago and now to buy back shares at a much higher price? Seems like poor judgement. Better idea would have been to sell fewer shares originally. I think after so many years it's hard to put into perspective that TSLA is and will be a profitable company even with...
  21. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Mmm.... if people thought some outflow this week was due to Gary Black..... Pretty sure the legacy of Berkshire would reverse that and then some. It just is more influential and you know what, it took Elon buying BTC for me to buy some, so for the hardcore BRK followers out there, I'll be...
  22. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yeah, wondering how to listen in myself potentially:
  23. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    :rolleyes: Always fun to see what motivates the analysts.You can find this in their latest 13F
  24. Ameliorate

    Temporary Thread for Itchy-fingered Investors

    Yeah, it's a bit of bummer for the people who follow the rules and read all the posts.
  25. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    :) My portfolio is about 10% in those! I've done really well with calls and LEAPS this past year. Disclaimer, past performance not indicative of future results (But I think they'll do just fine when they expire in 2023 around an SP of 2500+ ;) ) Am expecting to catch some large upside from FSD...
  26. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I don't get it either. This goes for ANY upcoming "competition" Best case, everything they say comes true, they start producing something in 2024. So that's what? 50,000 cars year one? (Pretty high # to start with even...) Let's give them the extreme benefit of the doubt saying they grow 60%...
  27. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Semi OT while we wait for the fireworks later today. -Cathie wood interview out today, that's always relevant right?
  28. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Bunch of IPO's this week, Air BnB, DoorDash. Stimulus delays, lots of reasons for the indices to be down today. Also probably churned through the rest of Tesla's offering today. Buying pressure will resume shortly....
  29. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    That came in a bit...hot...! Pretty awesome though, so close!! Everything perfect except one engine failure at the end there. (maybe legs didn't deploy either?)
  30. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Happy thanksgiving to my neighbors! All time high's are pretty nice, might be at a bit of an ATH myself. Feeling like my truck order will be a few years yet so this inventory model X happened. O.O Probably retire my parents dangerous old vehicle and split the usage of the X and my current...
  31. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Whoa whoa, before you make any decisions, I hope you understand the price does not change along with the SP, calls have their own bid/offer spread and the current "price" is just the last trade to execute, which on a very thinly traded asset does not necessarily reflect what you would gain if...
  32. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Can't say in the US but in Canada I learned earlier this year that high activity trading accounts which seem to be managed by a professional or used as sole income are not treated on a capital gains basis (27% tax) but on business income (53.4% tax.) aka personal tax. The ruling is so vague its...
  33. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Truth. I'm holding Jan 2021 200 (1000 strike pre split) calls I picked up in Feb/Mar this year that are up 4,600% Would be kicking myself if I was a seller of calls.... I made 46x my investment on that one (so far). They still did great making 5x but without selling the options they'd be at...
  34. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I would agree with you on most stocks but the liquidity in Tesla and Tesla options is generally very high especially during a squeeze event. There was no problem buying/selling options/leaps of any kind in Feb 2019. I bought some near the top with a small portion of profits and bag held those...
  35. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    A new video from our favorite Cathie Wood:
  36. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Disagree - Tesla was small enough to be held down by short sellers and media on behalf of oil and other competing interests. 2020 and profitability was enough to break the clutches (somewhat). Tesla was held down under Obama and most of Trump's term. The prosperity of Tesla this year is owed...
  37. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I don't think any minor tweaks will change much. Cybertruck will have a backlog for years due to the value proposition, nothing else is remotely close (Sorry not even a model Y). I unfortunately didn't put in my reservation until about a week or two post reveal so I'm probably est 200,000 in...
  38. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Not quite, in this comparison both companies are building a product line into a growing market, where OEM's have a large market that is rapidly declining. Also yes, the "cars produced" number as a focus totally neglects to include every other business prospect Tesla has which is extremely...
  39. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yep, Nio delivers 5,000 cars this quarter is worth 1/8th of Tesla. Tesla delivers 140,000 (28X) that many cars, has autopilot, energy and ten other businesses basically. Nobody is saying they're worried about Nio, I think the question is why is there not more of a gap in the companies'...
  40. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    The value of FSD does feel more suited to business/income than personal use. Is it worthwhile for an individual to purchase FSD if the cost is 100k? Depends how you plan to use it. Best use case - limited personal use or fully on Tesla network as passive income generation. I'm not going to get...
  41. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Before we suggest such things, let us remember that ARK specifically did not include energy in their analysis so that they were basing their price targets on the same factors as other "auto" analysts - for a fair comparison. Do not confuse this with ARK valuing Tesla energy at 0! They have...
  42. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Nice! I would love to see this feature in Cybertruck.
  43. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    If there's anything I've learned following Tesla its *Always question media publications and triple check them for accuracy* I don't know who this fellow is, but it's the top reply on that thread.....
  44. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Didn't see these later replies from Elon posted here - From Tasha Keeney thread https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1314328552318341120
  45. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    So this will validate your prediction in X amount of time if nobody knows your prediction until that day? I suspect your estimate will be in the ballpark hence my curiosity, Your calls in the past have already earned credibility in my book so I'm not entirely sure what this exercise is proving...
  46. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It makes sense because not all options exist for the same time period. The 10/16 options have been available for the past 6 months, so if we go back to April-June, Tesla traded from 100-200 any puts bought at that time are completely underwater and will expire worthless but are not accurate of...
  47. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Because of this he will have the best medical team at the ready. For that reason I can't see a high likelihood of a poor outcome with regards to his health. Probably a big nothingburger...
  48. Ameliorate

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It's not really competition when a few are on the road either in the sense that scaling manufacturing is hard, making a prototype is easy. Losing 1,000 sales is not cutting into Tesla's market. Losing 100,000 today might hurt but IF lucid/other automakers scaled as fast as Tesla (unlikely) how...