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I have to rate autopilot by the metric of "how conformable would I be falling asleep behind the wheel". Elon is promising Full Self-Driving by next year; if Tesla's can't full self-drive on limited access highways, what chance do they have in crowded cities. When will Tesla release any...

The problem is that he doubled down with his next tweet; "Investor support is confirmed. Only reason why this is not certain is that it’s contingent on a shareholder vote."

They just won't say that they can't offer full self-driving. Even if in five years all new Tesla's, new Chevy's and most new cars offer full self-driving; Tesla can just say that full self-driving is still possible on ap2 cars and they are working on the software to make it happen. There will...

This seems to be a divisive issue. My view is; Offering a $50 key fob option wouldn't ecthe 53 percent of people who prefer the phone key in any way. There experience would be exactly the same. Offering a $50 key fob option would however make 47 percent of buyers happier, so it would be a win...

Ok... let's see where this forum is? Chance of Tesla bankruptcy- 0.01% or 0.1%. or 1% or 10% I know where the smart money is, where are we?

I think both of those go hand in hand. If the new Leaf of Bolt were under $24,000, I believe consumers would accept them with open arms. If there was an electric replacement for my Saturn Vue for under $50,000, I as a consumer would be all over it. As to the cost of EV technology, I have to...

Are we all going to apologize to all of the people who said that this type of correction was possible? We can talk about the potential of Tesla until the cows come home, but lots of people on this thread have been "disliked" because they were not super positive. A month ago, saying that a price...

An even simpler way to look at it. 2016 end 111,424 (47,119 for 2016 + prior years, Model S and Model X) 2017 end 161,571 (50,147 for 2017 + prior years, Model S, Model 3, and Model X) From this we can see that they made just over 47,000 model S and X for the American market in both of the...

There are people on this thread who have the ear of Tesla management, I have seen it before.

Shot in the dark; is there anyone here who can convince Elon to replace John McNeill with a similarly committed person. Sales and Service Manager should be a highly appreciated VP position No matter how brilliant Elon is, he just doesn't have the time to take on that position. The person to take...

It was an interesting cc and report. The financials were actually pretty solid and stable, yet the cc gave a lot of ammo to both bulls and bears. The timelines have been pushed back so we are looking at months of "no news" ( unless Tesla comes up with something new). Next quarter financial...

I'm sure that can help simulate full production, but it is just a simulation. If a tooling machine wears out after 30,000 uses or the supply chain has problems; these are things you can't really tell until you are stressing max rates. Even if they are using burst tests they will not have needed...

Justy a thought I had. If they prioritize the higher cost vehicles this year and push back the base cars to next year, what effect will there be on next years TM3 margins when they have to start chewing through 100's of thousands of base orders.

To me, the risk is that they won't be running the rest of the line very fast or hard until the cell production is fixed. Let's say they do get the new battery cell line installed in April and can make 3k battery packs a week; this now makes April the first time the whole line is going to be...

Which is a catch 22, as a person who buys a $140G Tesla to see the new model come out a week later will instantly lose tens of thousands of dollars in resale potential. How many people won't buy a new Tesla in fear of being one of the people who lose's10's of thousands of dollars overnight?

Peanut Gallery: Of course comparing a new software release to an older "mature" software release is fair. If I buy a new phone that is promised to be better than my old phone, I expect it to be better than my old phone. Saying it is better than when my old phone was released years ago means...

This is in Canadain dollars so a long-range Tesla semi will be around $250k. How much the rebate will depend fully on what they consider a "comparable" truck. If they consider a base Freightliner day cab as a comparable truck than the LR Semi would get the full credit. A few big things this...

It is a cool idea and if done right I think there could be a market. A couple of issues I forsee; 1) RV's spend a great deal of the time sitting. It is very common to have them sitting for 3-6 months at a time not being used. How much vampire drain would there be from a 1MV battery? A 1% a day...

One of the problems with the 3 Series to Model 3 comparison is that BMW puts large discounts into their leases. If I remember correctly; over 85% of 3 Series are leased. On their Canadian website right now, you can get a 4-year high mileage lease for $4000 down and $350 (CAD) a month. That is...

I am not looking for a job currently. I am a real estate agent in a hot market and own a successful newspaper. I would love to work with Tesla in creating new markets; as an avid sailor, I can see an amazing future where Solar, Batteries and Sailing co-exist. I can see Tesla creating a...

The Bolt has shown about the same autonomous driving capabilities, styling is a preference, and the supercharger network is yet to be proven viable in the mass market. These are fairly low barriers to entry. The big question still remains; will the Model 3 compete with ICE cars in a similar...

We are years away from Tesla saying that it is cool to sit back and relax in the driver seat. At the start of autonomous driving, it is likely more important to know what the car is doing. Does autopilot see the lanes, does it see a car ahead, how much attention should I provide? If Tesla was...

There is a big difference between track ready and track ready for a professional driver. The "limited" Z06 was still faster around any track than a Ferrari Enzo.

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It probably depends on the type of driving. Base Model 3 will be more aerodynamic but heavier and with a smaller battery. So, the base 3 will probably get better mileage on higher-speed freeways, while the Bolt will likely have better mileage around town or in city driving. The Bolt will...

To be fair, The F 35 program tried a very similar approach by building the production equipment while flight testing. It was a disaster, even with some of the most advanced computer prototyping on the planet.

That thinking assumes that everything that has happened,, was guaranteed to happen. The odds of Tesla making good on that stock bet in 2013 were probably 4 to 1. It took a whole lot of luck, a whole bunch of different people and a whole lot of macro forces to make that bet pay off. The odds...

Buy high and sell low. That is the mantra of this fourm. The irony is, that without the disagree and agree buttons, the opinions her would be close to accurate. Seems like an ideal time to sell and buy back at 180. But the stock will never hit 180 again, right? No chance it could hit 160 by...

Do you have any links? Those numbers don't seem correct. GM US numbers for example; 3.4 billion in advertising and marketing in 2015 and 3.2 million cars sold. That equals an average of $1060 in advertising for each car. Average transaction price after sales incentives, was $35,767. That...

Out of curiosity; August 1st price estimates: anyone?

I see it as a niche in the market. Even if they were cheaper, I could only image the uproar if my town bought BMW's or Teslas for their parking maids. A lot of companies would also likely have a problem with supplying their lower level employees with a car perceived as luxury. I'm not saying...

I don't see GM as trying to compete with the 3; I see both companies competing for the 100's of million of new car buyers out there. Even the amount of people/companies/municipalities that want an electric car that won't be perceived as luxury is likely large.

My argument is more that there is an abundance of people who could buy the Bolt who have no need to take it long road tripping. The farmer with a solar array and cares about the environment, likely owned 4 plus vehicles already and may see the Bolt as a good addition. He also isn't likely on...

The takeaway is that EV's (including PHEV's) are becoming mainstream and mainstream users have to be accounted for. There are millions, maybe hundreds of millions, of people who could buy an EV as a second or third car. An EV as a tool to save money, compared to just a way to save the...

That is 150 votes of electric car enthusiasts. A combination of Bolt/Hybrid Pacifica, for example, would work for millions. Tesla fans are (rightfully so) fairly fanatical. The interesting question comes with the mass market. Most people buying new cars, has multiple vehicles.

The average household has 1.9 vehicles. If you look at households making over $60,000 (the people buying new cars) the number gets closer to 3 vehicles per household. If you remove Condo dwellers who don't drive, it is clear that the vast majority of people able to afford new vehicles in Canada...

A lot of discussion here about the charging. Realistically, don't most people have a different car they can take if they are planning on going over 150 miles? I personally don't know many single people without more than one car and can't think of any people with families without at least two...

I have the exact opposite view. I think if GM had continued with the EV-1, it would be set back electric car adoption 15 years. Battery tech 20 years ago just wasn't there and having to replace a 1200lb battery (at an undisclosed price, likely over $15,000) every 20,000 miles would have made...

Or then understand that " Buy the Rumor, Sell the News" is powerful. Tesla News; even profitability, has resulted in flat stock price.Investors are looking for the Model 3 intro spike; likely to happen again around Oct next year. This is the short term thread,and 10% of institutional investors...

The powertrain is assembled in Korea. It is GM design and engineering. It is currently as accurate to say " Tesla powertrains are Japanese" as it is to say "Bolt powertrains are Korean"

I have heard it being discussed a few times. In the future, if a majority of homes were off-the-grid systems than the utilities would not have the funds to maintain the grid. Maintaining the grid is in everybody's best interest and it is pretty likely that regulations would be put in place...

Pretty quickly, Ontario greatly increased there off peak rates just because people were shifting their energy use patterns. The real question is how quickly utilities will move grid costs to monthly connection fees instead of including them in the price of power. Also whether off-grid systems...

Before Autoblog was bought by AOL and went to hell, they had a big rpm gauge under each users name that showed their cumulative rating score. It was fantastic, yet in the five years since they got rid of it, I haven't seen it anywhere else. Great idea, and not sure why more forums don't use...

I was going by MSRP. All cars have tax and dest. I didn't realize the incentive came off after tax, but that would bring the out the door price to around $38,000 A Encore tops out at 48 including dest and tax's. A Toyota RAV4 goes over $50,000

Starts at $42,795 in Canada. Chevy Bolt EV Starting Price Is $37,495 In The US, CAD$42,795 In Canada Ontario rebate will bring it just under $30,000

In Ontario that would mean you could get it for $30,395. Not bad. The base 2wd Encore starts at $28,500.

Ya, that was a response to someone saying that the the Bolt would have 100 times the problems and be delayed compared to the Model 3. It was an attempt to bring context. As for timelines... Tesla set aggressive ones and delivers behind schedule.They have as much as said so themselves. The...

1) The first Bolts will be produced at least a year earlier than the first Model 3's. If we were to go by the Model X Launch than it may be three years before we see the Model 3 mass produced, 2) At the start of last year GM had 50 Bolt prototypes undergoing testing. The Volt is also pretty...

Ya, it's a little ironical, but Pontiac would probably be the best branding for GM electrics; Some premium features and more performance. Chevy sells Tahoe's and Corvettes, so there is a a market for higher priced goods, the question is if it comes with the trimmings. Reviews say it is very...

My Theory is that the Bolt is a test of demand. The Volt, even accounting for the problems of support and marketing, didn't meet its demand goals so GM is throwing out a canary. GM has five times the revenue of McDonald's; When it moves, companies take notice. If the Bolt is supply constrained...