sublimejackman
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Those are your numbers bro. 1mi = 1kwh, remember?
"1mi/1kWh is standard EV towing" - @buckets0fun Jan 2024
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What do you think is causing the limited tow capability of the new Cybertruck?
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"1mi/1kWh is standard EV towing" - @buckets0fun Jan 2024
I mean… let’s start with what your 21ft travel trailer is, weighs, and what the frontal area looks like.
Because my experience with a sub 4k lb, 18ft travel trailer is quite different than yours, at the same speed.
Likely due to… aero… the boogie man in ev towing.
Xenoilphobe
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TessP100D
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Why do people take family 4 door economy cars and pretend they are race cars?
Model 3’s are dominating auto cross. SCCA had to separate them into their own class because nothing else could compete. Don’t need a wing for autocross.
I tracked cars for years. Had a GT3 RS, gutted s2000, Caterham 7. I’ve auto crossed my LR awd model 3 (on OEM all seasons), took 2nd: beat all the STIs, all the M2/M3, an R8 (v10), all the corvettes, a mix of other things and a lotus. A guy in a Evora beat me.
Only negative I can say is that given how much they weigh they eat through tires like there is no tomorrow. Given this and charging, it will be a while before EVs compete with ICEs in SCCA endurance races.
an EV (VW) holds the pikes peak record now.
I mean of course nothing else could compete given the powertrain. You beat all those cars, meaning driver skills, not the car beat all those other cars. I'm sure if you switched drivers it would have been a different result. I have found that Autocross is more driver skills than the actual setup.
I cant wait for EV's to get their top end right. But the sound of an engine will never be replaced.
It was definitely some driver skill
But the instant torque and no gears is pretty awesome with autocross. I destroyed the tires though. They were at the end of their life (4/32) and I could see the steel belting after 6 runs. In my Seven I could
Get 5-6 race days out of a set of slicks. In the 3 I bet it would be a set of tires per race day. But then a model 3 weighs about as much as four Sevens…
GoldCountryCA
M3LR wh/bl/18”
I haven’t made it through this entire thread but figured I’d answer.
I’m 40, and for me, the range wouldn’t work. However, even with an EPA est. 500 mile range, I wouldn’t want an EV truck—especially with the shape the cyber truck comes in.
1. Tow cap too low
2. Charging convenience too low. Not just lack of pull through chargers and time to recharge, but I’m often nowhere near a charger.
3. Bed too small and irregular in shape. It limits adaptability to common things one would bolt into a bed.
4. It’s ugly—objectively, not even up for debate, lol
I’m not an Elon hater, I just think the CT is shite as an actual truck and wasn’t the best approach if the idea was to convince traditional truck owners. Full disclosure, I don’t find any current EV trucks compelling. Though, I have two buddies with Rivians (R1S and R1T), and as a regular vehicle, they feel so much better than my Tesla. They did a fantastic job on the interior comparatively.
In my opinion and based on current specs/offerings, we are pretty far off from widespread adoption of EV trucks with exception to urban/suburbanites who use a truck as a grocery getter.
Even in that crowd, I have several buddies with early reservations who’ve gotten “the email” to order their CT who’ve passed based on current specs. They don’t see the value there. As previously stated, of them is a current R1T owner and another an R1S owner. So it’s not the idea of gambling on an EV truck that’s keeping them away. Mind you, a Rivian owner is a gambler. Buying a vehicle with a possibility of dealership closures and company failure is a risky proposition. Though maybe that’s turned a corner since I last looked into it.
GoldCountryCA
M3LR wh/bl/18”
This is a curious statement… both towing and acceleration favor short (numerically high) gearing. Example: in a truck if you want a good freeway rpm you want a taller differential gear such as a 3.42. This will lower freeway rpm but acceleration and the ability to get a load moving will suffer as compared to a shorter gear. This is why the higher rated trucks will come with a 4.10 to 4.56. Also why a vehicle designed to favor acceleration will opt for the same, sometimes even lower such as a 5.xx gear.
Put more simply the same gearing that favors towing, also favors acceleration.
sublimejackman
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Even when towing 10,000+ pounds, the dashbaord STILL SHOWS the FAKE EPA "Rated Range". Everyone wondering why there have been lines at superchargers for the past week!
You can switch to towing mode and the truck will try to estimate the range impact.
sublimejackman
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He's in towing mode! Watch the video before commenting next time.
sublimejackman
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This video points out literally everything I've been saying. Tesla opted to make a rich kid's toy, that looks "cool", instead of a real world truck. They refuse to admit that the range is poor, they effectively have regulatory cpature over the EPA for these made up range numbers. They chose to ignore towing all together, no 800v superchargers, no space for trailers. 2 hours to charge from 0-70% at V2 cahrgers, 45min at V3.
Color me extremely disappointed.
The same can be said for all BEV trucks, though. Even the Silverado isn't going to come close to an ICE truck.
It's reality.
So wait. Let me get this straight. You came for my throat and when another member put you in your place, you darted to driver skill? Assuming you knew anything of me?
nice, good coping skills. A+
Reminds me of that Canadian company’s owner. Y’all related?
Everyone did. Plenty of social media posts highlight ccs towing problems. Rivian has one stall per site, in one location that space is an exit for the parking lot to the main road. Imagine my surprise when being called out on it.
45min, on CCS? Dude, real world ccs charging is nothing like real world tesla charging. No lie, it’s taken me 2.5hrs for a 5-90% run on a good day. I’ve got at least a half hour of video footage showing sitting at different chargers while the handshake happens and the 350kW charger doesn’t max my 220kW R1S, but sits at 41kW or 67kW or some other form of whatever it wants.
on a trip of ours, Porsche was testing their Macan units, we’ve discussed this at length with the leads from battery and charging infrastructure teams.
Improvements are coming and like I’ve stated elsewhere, rather vocally, it’s (likely) due to the massive amount of subsidies to “fix” and “update” chargers. No surprise.
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And the navigation planner takes the load into account, but the upper left range estimation doesn't. 12 minutes in:
sublimejackman
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So what you're saying is Tesla had no choice but to advertise a 320mi range? No choice but to go with a radical new material that is notoriously difficult to work with? Advertise it towing? Show a 320mi range on the dashbaord? Say it has 800v charging without building a single charger? That's what you're saying? Show it beating a Porsche 911 while towing a Prosche 911 in a 1/4 mile?
If I underestimate Tesla, I'm a hater. If I overestimate Tesla, I'm an idiot...
sublimejackman
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That overrides the remaining "range" displayed on the dashboard? Just display whatever number as long as you put a blurb at the bottom "it's on you, bro but our advertising says 320mi when you can only go 90mi"
That and the planner was wrong too in this video, as it usually is, except when it's sunny, flat and 70 degrees.
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