FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[Mardak]

Unexpected things happen in the real world, and it's better for Tesla to fix the software now than after rolling it out to us.

Assuming both reports (video and comment) are actually with 12.4, it could potentially reflect the neural networks are overfitting to cleaned training data and overeacting to unexpected real world differences, e.g., camera calibration or sensor quality. Something simple as a bug splat partially blocking the front cameras in just the "wrong" way could confuse neural networks especially as predictions in general are made more sharp.

12.4 neural networks can still be 5x-10x better in the expected conditions but also perform worse for unexpected situations.

 

[rlsd]

Agreed, I think they are way more focused on getting all to V12, that 12.4 is a low priority right now

I wonder it's better for Tesla to keep separate firmware branches for different hardware sets instead of lumping everything to the main branch to reduce the complexity.

Similarly with FSD branches. Should Tesla have geofenced FSD? (NA, EU, RH Drive countries, China). Will this help reducing memory and CPU usage?

 

[aronth5]

Lots of speculation on when v12.4 is released but is there any confirmation that the majority or even a significant number of Tesla employees have v12.4? I would think that would come first.

 

[sleepydoc]

Anybody else tap on the accelerator to creep forwards or go faster?

All the time. I’d never make it up to the speed limit otherwise.

 

[sleepydoc]

Good example of hand gestures today.
Lights at intersection were off. Police office was in the middle of the intersection directing traffic with gestures. FSD totally bailed.
No wheel of death, FSD just disabled on it's own. I suspect it saw a stationery pedestrian and didn't know what to do.

This is the type of error that would prevent robotaxi from working so support for hand gestures will have to be a priority. I have many occurrences every week where I live.

True, but why are you so focused on Robo taxis? I don’t think any of us here want to use our car as a Robo taxi we’d all be happy with solid level three performance.

 

[rlsd]

Forget 12.4.

New topic for this weekend: "FSD will have chill, standard and hurry modes" - Elon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796715946918228360

 

[lzolman]

So you’d rather have a light to despise?

I'm not sure I'd despise the light. I despise the sticker because of what it looks like. I've posted about that before and won't be responsible for adding to the number of participants here who already can't un-see it.

 

[Daniel in SD]

True, but why are you so focused on Robo taxis? I don’t think any of us here want to use our car as a Robo taxi we’d all be happy with solid level three performance.

Can't use L3 if you're drunk.

 

[fasteddie7]

Maybe it’s not 12.4 that’s the holdup, based on the now six 2024.14.x updates, maybe there’s a an issue that’s present in 2024.9.x also that they can’t seem to iron out.

 

[rlsd]

Forget 12.4.

New topic for this weekend: "FSD will have chill, standard and hurry modes" - Elon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1796715946918228360

Someone needs @gottagofast mode.

 

[FSDtester#1]

Maybe it’s not 12.4 that’s the holdup, based on the now six 2024.14.x updates, maybe there’s a an issue that’s present in 2024.9.x also that they can’t seem to iron out.

They are focusing on getting all fsd cars off V11, this has been apparent by seeing all the iterations of fsd software going to different vehicles. There is no .9 branch issue.
Not 1 time in 3 years has Tesla ever had 6 plus versions of fsd, in this case all 12.3.6. at the sams time. They are struggling with the different models and hardware to achieve it. Once they iron it out, all the OG testers will move from 3.25 to the working branch of 2024.9.5 or 2024.9.5.1 and so on.
@JulienW predicted over a week ago, we might 1st see V12.4 on a 24.9.6 or .7 or later.
He was right on track

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Can't use L3 if you're drunk.

No one with current vehicles is getting Robotaxis. People just need to get over it and stop dreaming silly dreams.