After placing certain things in certain places, you would think that you would put some of the glass on the seat where it should naturally go. Who breaks glass, then puts it only on the floor. Did the security throw the rock through the window, or just break it and then throw it on the ground like I would? I'm pretty sure the RGJ would have said they threw a rock aiming it at my head if it went through the window, or he tried to kill me by throwing a rock through my window. Also, trying to break a glass with a smooth rock as pictured is not easy, unless this is an old car with think windows.
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Journalists Trespass, Assault Tesla employees at the Gigafactory
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MassModel3
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I'm sure they were placed in the picture only to show the end result, not to insinuate this was the condition at the time of the incident. They just wanted to show the cut seatbelt and the rock and the broken glass. They weren't trying to stage the scene of the attack. IMO.
The press often invents pictures to illustrate a point. It's almost certainly staged, and might or might not be using real items from the incident.
Indeed. It would be interesting to see how little information about an inflammatory subject was needed to generate multiple detailed proposed scenarios.
Waiting to see what happens in the judicial system seems like a good plan at this point. There just isn't enough information.
Somewhere above it was speculated that the journalist had a first amendment right to take pictures. This is a common misconception. The first amendment basically prohibits Congress from passing a law that infringes upon freedom of the press. The first amendment does not provide any right regarding trespassing to take pictures on private property.
MassModel3
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Oh, come on now! You know that just not how we roll in these forums. We take a small amount of information and we micro-analyze it, making a multitude of assumptions and wild speculation right up until the facts are finally made clear. It's just what we do. We're gluttons for punishment. We can't help ourselves.
MassModel3
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I thought about that, too. But as far as I know, the laws don't specify that it has to be a retractable or locking seat belt. Perhaps the driver wrapped it around himself and tied it in a knot. :biggrin:
deonb
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I don't know if I buy the "Tesla guards cut the seatbelt" thing.
What kind of organization would take a perfectly working vehicle and alter something inside it to the point that it's not usable anymo...
Oh, wait.
What kind of organization would take a perfectly working vehicle and alter something inside it to the point that it's not usable anymo...
Oh, wait.
Yeah, that's been bothering me, too. It's not easy to cut a seatbelt under the most benign conditions. But in the middle of this altercation? It just seems really weird.
This has been my point since the beginning. They demonstrated provocative, aggressive behavior. There was no reason for them to try to detain the journalists or prevent their escape. Leave that to the police. They could describe the car, they knew their employer, and very likely had it on CCTV.
Andyw2100
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It sounds like the security guards may have mistakenly (from what others have posted) thought they had the right to demand that the photos obtained during the trespassing be deleted. That may have been a factor in their attempt to detain the journalists.
Canuck
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That article is so biased as to be laughable. You can't believe a word of it, since it makes no sense. The police lay battery and trespassing charges against the journalists -- not the security guards -- after investigating the incident and interviewing both sides. I reiterate what I said here about why the journalists' version of events makes no sense:
Journalists Trespass, Assault Tesla employees at the Gigafactory - Page 13
It seems the prosecutor agrees.
rolosrevenge
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It does look like the prosecutor believes the Tesla side of things since charges are being brought against the journalist.
That sems like the best account of events yet.
Maybe the driver should have been charged with two felonies, but the version of events at least justifies the misdemeanor charges. Cutting the seat belt and pulling the driver out of the car is clearly justifiable as self defence. If someone is attacking you with a deadly weapon, disarming them is a no-brainer.
stopcrazypp
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The first security guard had the right to detain or prevent their escape given he directly witnessed them trespassing. There is no evidence any of it was caught on CCTV. The security guard was trying to copy down the license plate number when he was ran down according to the report. There is no guarantee the press badges are real, and even knowing the journalists is working for that publication doesn't pin it on anyone specific (I imagine the publication is big enough it won't necessarily be straightforward; the journalists may even be third party and not official employees).
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MassModel3
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The two lines of the story I'm finding most suspect are these:
And I noticed right from the start how they tried to set the tone of the article by opening with this:
The level of bias in the story makes it sound all the more unbelievable.
Now I'm no expert on ATV's, but they're typically fairly light with large balloonish tires. They are certainly not designed for running anything off the road, let alone a full size Jeep. No way. Sorry, not buying it.
And I noticed right from the start how they tried to set the tone of the article by opening with this:
The level of bias in the story makes it sound all the more unbelievable.
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