SDRick
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Sure, I'm all for free speech, but would probably want to be named as an additional insured on his policy.
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Sure, I'm all for free speech, but would probably want to be named as an additional insured on his policy.
I think that's just a high profile/media reporting illusion because the data don't support it:
SDRick
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You can bend statistics in many ways. I have watched many of my friends over the years move out California. Not very scientific of course.
A very good barometer these days is check the U-Haul rental rates. You will find very favorable rates for anyone bringing Uhaul trucks and trailers to California versus 2x to 4x for anyone desiring the opposite.
Another good barometer is I believe the state lost a seat in the house due to population loss?
Certainly not compared to the methodology used at UCSD in the study.
A good barometer for working class people. U-Haul is skewed heavily toward the working class.
The majority of the population loss is due to affordability, which census data have shown to be predominately young families, mostly due to housing affordability.
None of these are good metrics, they're selective. The best way to view it is through taxable receipts, census data, housing demand and pricing, etc. - a nuanced and combined approach that isn't selecting for the outcome you want ahead of time. I understand the appeal of the argument but "millionaire flight" has been a myth for a very long time and has been disproven for a number of high tax states repeatedly.
EVNow
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So, definitely looks like there is still very high demand for housing.
If there was a real flight out - you would see housing markets crash.
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mspohr
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Elon seems to be in a bad place now... jousting at windmills.
I'd prefer he stick to "Transitioning the world to sustainable energy"
SDRick
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I don't believe I brought up millionaire flight, I said productive folks. Yes, working class people are also included as "productive folks".
It is more than affordability but that is a large component. There is a myriad of reasons why people are moving and why the state lost population and a house seat.
mspohr
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Anecdotes are useless. The plural of anecdote is not data.
The UCSD study uses real data. RTFA
No, as much as I would wish it, California did not lose population.
EVNow
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He seems to be more or more going towards racist ideas. I won't be surprised if he goes the way of Peter Thiel.
I mean he is practically sounding like the same guys who support "free speech" but ban math text books in Florida.
EVNow
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@FlatSix911 Can you explain what that tweet means, since you liked that post - but don't like my interpretation of it ?
SDRick
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It's not even so much population but who is moving and why.
Antidotes or not how do you explain the vast disparity in Uhaul rates?
SDRick
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Under what definition of racist is Elon going towards?
We're getting way off topic here, but there are major confounds in using U-Haul rates to determine actual movement. People moving to California are generally able to afford the cost of living in California and are less likely to use self-moving services, whereas people escaping from a high cost of living might be more likely to use self-moving services. Obviously you need a broader metric than just looking at self-moving services - you need to include the cost of movers, the cost of maintaining U-Haul facilities in California vs. other states, etc.
Distilling complicated scenarios to a single transactional cost is appealing but rife with issues.
I would argue that Netflix has lost market share because they went from being one of the only games in town for solid streaming content (I mean, Amazon Prime was the main competition for a while..), to having a lot of competition out there. It's market share driven more than likely, and if there is some cultural component that is costing them market share, one would have to compare against alternative platforms gaining market share to see how "un-woke" they are.
I think for him it's just something to tweet to rile people up in favor or against him. Twitter, lol.
FlatSix911
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Nonsense... Elon has been successful because he supports a system based on merit and performance. Period.
FlatSix911
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Yup
Yup … it is so dangerous….did you not see the trail of dead bodies behind the Tesla?As predicted... more FUD.
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"The video consists of a compilation of clips from longer FSD Beta test drives from owners posted to Youtube. We previously reported on some of those clips. O’Dowd is going to pay $2 million for playtime on this ad in 36 states, and he says that he put aside $7 million for his campaign. He also hired a team consisting of Democratic ad maker Mark Putnam, veteran party operative John Blair, and Tim Maltin, a high-powered public affairs executive in London.
The Santa Barbara man is already making the Democratic party nervous as they fear his campaign is going to negatively affect the state’s appointed junior senator, Alex Padilla. If O’Dowd is not particularly interested in becoming a Senator and his campaign is primarily about preventing Tesla FSD Beta to be used on public roads, it is fair to ask why he doesn’t just pay for an anti-Tesla FSD ad campaign. But it is believed that making it a political ad could help him avoid issues with a higher degree of first amendment protection, especially since his first ad is using clips from videos mostly made by Tesla fans. O’Dowd said that he is willing to step down if the legislature commits to banning Tesla from deploying its FSD beta on public roads."
mspohr
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Sorry, I still don't understand "the woke mind virus".
Sounds like the slashdot person was objecting to "pan-sexual" themes.... kind of like Christian conservatives might. Is this "woke mind"?
Mind virus seems to be used kinda like the Dawkins concept of a meme. Idea that spreads, takes over. Wokeness can be thought of as an ideology of a portion of the extreme left that has "infected", to continue the virus analogy, increasingly large amounts of institutions, and a small, but vocal, part of society.
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