EVNow
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Thats crazy. You are comparing 1 in 20 mile disengagement rate with 1 in 10,000.Imo Tesla's fsd performance surpassed waymo'
I'd happily send my kids in Waymo - would you do that in a driverless FSD at this point ?
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Thats crazy. You are comparing 1 in 20 mile disengagement rate with 1 in 10,000.Imo Tesla's fsd performance surpassed waymo'
1 In 20 miles? I haven't disengaged for weeks. And my traffic is much more complex than waymo's and still haven't disengaged for weeks.Thats crazy. You are comparing 1 in 20 mile disengagement rate with 1 in 10,000.
I'd happily send my kids in Waymo - would you do that in a driverless FSD at this point ?
Video ?So yeah, I'll even sleep in my fsd today.
Video or it didn’t happen. Extraordinary claims…1 In 20 miles? I haven't disengaged for weeks. And my traffic is much more complex than waymo's and still haven't disengaged for weeks.
So yeah, I'll even sleep in my fsd today. I haven't seen any safety critical situations. At worst it'll get stuck.
Prior to v12.3.4, I would say no way. It would still get UPLs wrong and would go that would cause an accident. I haven't seen this even once since 12.3.4+ after making almost a hundred upl .
Yep, these are the people who Elon says are most likely to be in a collision - the people who think they know the system.because you are overconfident in its abilities.
I am waiting for FSD 12.3.6 to break my confidence. When I first got v12 it made some errors in which i was not nearly as confident. It went off the road once, made upl mistakes, and couldn't complete this one turn to get onto the hwy and would dive for the median.Video ?
I hope you are not the type who ruins FSD for rest of us by getting into an accident because you are overconfident in its abilities.
Yep, want to see all these UPLs.I am waiting for FSD 12.3.6 to break my confidence. When I first got v12 it made some errors in which i was not nearly as confident. It went off the road once, made upl mistakes, and couldn't complete this one turn to get onto the hwy and would dive for the median.
I am waiting for FSD 12.3.6 to break my confidence. When I first got v12 it made some errors in which i was not nearly as confident. It went off the road once, made upl mistakes, and couldn't complete this one turn to get onto the hwy and would dive for the median.
Agree. For anyone who disliked your post I'd be curious why. Do you think V11 is better than V12?My reason for total disagreement with the original post is the post is not believable when saying v11 is anywhere comparable to v12. Is v12 perfect? No, however it is light years ahead of v11, even with its problems. Very few, if any testers here have more miles on fsd than me. I've used it 100% of the time since 9/2021. Except to teach ice cars a lesson at red lights.
V12 is way better on 99% of drives then v11, full stop.
This is not debatable... except for the uninitiated and malcontents..
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Just Alan, and nobody agrees with anything he posts except for the maladjusted,.misinformed, non users of the software.Agree. For anyone who disliked your post I'd be curious why. Do you think V11 is better than V12?
Your a smart dude with objective critic, always welcomed to see. Not a let's redefine the word "driving" type of guy. .What do others think?
Well, maybe FSD still sucks for you. Who knows, maybe tomorrow it'll do something stupid and wipes away my entire confidence over the past few hundred miles of disengagement free driving. We humans are just biased like that.
Fully explained. Valid complaints, definitely usage models exist with much higher intervention rate on v12 than v11.4.9. Nope to v11 being better than v12.Agree. For anyone who disliked your post I'd be curious why. Do you think V11 is better than V12?
So "much more complex" traffic than LA and San Francisco? Do tell where this is? Mumbai....And my traffic is much more complex than waymo's and still haven't disengaged for weeks......
My reason for total disagreement with the original post is the post is not believable when saying v11 is anywhere comparable to v12. Is v12 perfect? No, however it is light years ahead of v11, even with its problems. Very few, if any testers here have more miles on fsd than me. I've used it 100% of the time since 9/2021. Except to teach ice cars a lesson at red lights.
V12 is way better on 99% of drives then v11, full stop.
This is not debatable... except for the uninitiated and malcontents..
Fully explained. Valid complaints, definitely usage models exist with much higher intervention rate on v12 than v11.4.9. Nope to v11 being better than v12.
All depends on your usage.
Traffic manipulation is where it's at. Sitting in traffic doesn't have any value in complexity. Waymo sit in the right lane going slow mo and sits in traffic. It doesn't do blind UPLs across 4 lanes of traffic. Hell it doesn't do this maneuver where my car came out of the parking lot into 3 lane cross traffic and the car had to get into the left most lane where there's a stop light 100 ft away and then had to make a U-turn to go the opposite direction. This maneuver wouldn't have happened V11 and now it just blows my mind. There was a 100% chance in V11 it wouldn't have enough time to make it into the left turning lane.So "much more complex" traffic than LA and San Francisco? Do tell where this is? Mumbai
Funny. Right. You put that sarcasm everywhere these days.Yep, want to see all these UPLs.
The point is you can never just respond with a simple answer. You always complicate whatever the post is. @FSDtester@1 was stating "V12 is way better than V11". You disagreed and mention usage. Usage had nothing to do with his post. So let's try again. Do you believe V12 is better than V11? Yes or No.
total disagreement with the original post is the post is not believable when saying v11 is anywhere comparable to v12
definitely usage models exist with much higher intervention rate on v12 than v11.4.9
Do you believe V12 is better than V11? Yes or No
Nope to v11 being better than v12.
When you are betting the company on the product, this is no longer a fun game of getting a good L2 assist. It is serious business, as Tesla is abandoning or at a minimum losing focus on their core competencies. It’s very risky.Funny. Right. You put that sarcasm everywhere these days.