Winter tire recommendations

[edx1105]

I think I found the answer for my 1st question.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4s are summer tires according to their official site:

Shop Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Tires | Michelin

The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tire has Maximum Combined Performance - 1st in dry lap time, 1st in dry braking, 1st in wet lap time, and 1st in wet braking.

www.michelinman.com

I wonder why don't they provide some all season tires.

 

[impastu]

I think I found the answer for my 1st question.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4s are summer tires according to their official site:

Shop Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Tires | Michelin

The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tire has Maximum Combined Performance - 1st in dry lap time, 1st in dry braking, 1st in wet lap time, and 1st in wet braking.

www.michelinman.com

I wonder why don't they provide some all season tires.

Pirelli only recently came out with 21" winters. 19" have an all-season option, but it's ambiguous and by region. Unless you head to Tahoe, you probably don't need winters or even all-seasons. Most owners with 21" get a 19" or 20" after-market set of wheels for winter tires. Check the Signature Wheel vendor thread for one good option.

 

[Midnightsun]

Picked up my Model S LR yesterday.

This is a 19" Square setup for the refreshed Model S.

Went straight to my garage to install the winter wheels. Was snowing and the roads were a mess so please excuse the dirty photos. Overall I am very pleased with the outcome.

They delivered the car to Montreal, Canada with P Zero high performance summer tires in the dead of winter believe it or not. Personally I prefer this as I always use dedicated winters.

Everything fit like a glove, no issues at all, plenty of clearance every where. I initially purchased 20mm spacers for the rear however the tires did stick out to far by about 10mm so I elected to use none at the end of the day. The rear wheel without spacers is about 10mm inward on the car compared to stock however not really noticeable IMHO and intend on leaving as is.

Here is what was used for my "square" winter wheel/tire setup

Picked up the Tesla BT TPMS sensors At Tesla
Using stock front size all around 255/45 19 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV
RTX Spider wheels. (# 082737) Spider - Gloss Black
Center Caps, Why 20?, needed 4 for the Y also so I used 8 already and good to have spares. Centre Caps
Gorilla "The System" Black lug nuts Lug Nuts

 

[sandman1330]

Picked up my Model S LR yesterday.

This is a 19" Square setup for the refreshed Model S.

Went straight to my garage to install the winter wheels. Was snowing and the roads were a mess so please excuse the dirty photos. Overall I am very pleased with the outcome.

They delivered the car to Montreal, Canada with P Zero high performance summer tires in the dead of winter believe it or not. Personally I prefer this as I always use dedicated winters.

Everything fit like a glove, no issues at all, plenty of clearance every where. I initially purchased 20mm spacers for the rear however the tires did stick out to far by about 10mm so I elected to use none at the end of the day. The rear wheel without spacers is about 10mm inward on the car compared to stock however not really noticeable IMHO and intend on leaving as is.

Here is what was used for my "square" winter wheel/tire setup

Picked up the Tesla BT TPMS sensors At Tesla
Using stock front size all around 255/45 19 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV
RTX Spider wheels. (# 082737) Spider - Gloss Black
Center Caps, Why 20?, needed 4 for the Y also so I used 8 already and good to have spares. Centre Caps
Gorilla "The System" Black lug nuts Lug Nuts

Thanks for posting!

So to be clear, you went with square 19x8.5, with a 35 offset?

This is exactly the setup I have been considering, as it seems the best compromise to maintain a square setup, but I’ve been waiting for someone to report back. I’m glad to hear it worked well. Sounds like no spacers required, and it seems to look good! Any issues with clearance on brake dust shields or anything else like that? I’d heard some rumblings on that.

The fact the rears sit a little further inside the fender isn’t all bad, as it may reduce rock throwing, as long as it doesn’t look goofy.

Great info!

 

[Midnightsun]

So to be clear, you went with square 19x8.5, with a 35 offset?

Correct. No issues on dust shield or anything, probably at least 3/4" away from the wheel. Does not look out of place at all, in fact you cannot even visually tell they sit 10mm in.

 

[sandman1330]

Correct. No issues on dust shield or anything, probably at least 3/4" away from the wheel. Does not look out of place at all, in fact you cannot even visually tell they sit 10mm in.

Excellent, thanks!

 

[Hayseed_MS]

Picked up my Model S LR yesterday.

This is a 19" Square setup for the refreshed Model S.

Went straight to my garage to install the winter wheels. Was snowing and the roads were a mess so please excuse the dirty photos. Overall I am very pleased with the outcome.

They delivered the car to Montreal, Canada with P Zero high performance summer tires in the dead of winter believe it or not. Personally I prefer this as I always use dedicated winters.

Everything fit like a glove, no issues at all, plenty of clearance every where. I initially purchased 20mm spacers for the rear however the tires did stick out to far by about 10mm so I elected to use none at the end of the day. The rear wheel without spacers is about 10mm inward on the car compared to stock however not really noticeable IMHO and intend on leaving as is.

Here is what was used for my "square" winter wheel/tire setup

Picked up the Tesla BT TPMS sensors At Tesla
Using stock front size all around 255/45 19 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 SUV
RTX Spider wheels. (# 082737) Spider - Gloss Black
Center Caps, Why 20?, needed 4 for the Y also so I used 8 already and good to have spares. Centre Caps
Gorilla "The System" Black lug nuts Lug Nuts

Put those Hakkas on my Rover and some of the best winter tires available.

Why does it appear that only one portion of your tail lights is lit?

 

[Midnightsun]

Why does it appear that only one portion of your tail lights is lit?

Not sure, only noticed it in the picture I took.

 

[Spyderman09]

I think I found the answer for my 1st question.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4s are summer tires according to their official site:

Shop Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Tires | Michelin

The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tire has Maximum Combined Performance - 1st in dry lap time, 1st in dry braking, 1st in wet lap time, and 1st in wet braking.

www.michelinman.com

I wonder why don't they provide some all season tires.

Michelin does have all seasons that just came out in the 21 Arachnids size, with the slight caveat that the rears are 295/35/21 and not 295/30/21.

I just had them installed yesterday and am happy with them. So now I'm running Michelin PS 4 All Seasons in 265/35/21 and 295/35/21 on the stock Arachnids. Will likely run these year round until I wanna spring for another 21" rim set for the PS4 summers that only have 250 miles on them.

ETA: @Hayseed_MS - not sure if you saw my post in the delivery update main thread, but the speedo was off by minimal amounts, mostly at higher speeds. Unscientific testing with my wife at constant speed next to me, but at 30, I read 30, 60 I read 59, and 70 I read 68. Not bad.

 

[EVO X]

PLEASE WHERE CAN I FIND A SET OF BLIZZAK TIRES FOR MY 19” PLAID WHEELS???
WILLING TO PAY EXTRA FOR BLIZZAK!!!

 

[edx1105]

Michelin does have all seasons that just came out in the 21 Arachnids size, with the slight caveat that the rears are 295/35/21 and not 295/30/21.

I just had them installed yesterday and am happy with them. So now I'm running Michelin PS 4 All Seasons in 265/35/21 and 295/35/21 on the stock Arachnids. Will likely run these year round until I wanna spring for another 21" rim set for the PS4 summers that only have 250 miles on them.

ETA: @Hayseed_MS - not sure if you saw my post in the delivery update main thread, but the speedo was off by minimal amounts, mostly at higher speeds. Unscientific testing with my wife at constant speed next to me, but at 30, I read 30, 60 I read 59, and 70 I read 68. Not bad.

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Do you get extended range after using all season tires?

 

[Spyderman09]

Do you get extended range after using all season tires?

Good question. I've heard that A/S can be better for range since they are less sticky, but I don't expect any material change in range with the A/S.I haven't had a chance to run through a charge cycle yet - there was a bunch of snow today so it was a day at home. That said, I think there'll be a lot of other factors at play that might affect range more than the tires (temps being really low right now, etc.).

I can report back if the all seasons materially change range (good or bad), though I am not expecting much.

 

[meomyo]

update----the crossclimate 2 is awesome in snow and cold...just snowed a few times in colorado and they are vg.

 

[CWhite]

My sister has the CrossClimate2’s and they do work very well in snow. Still be careful on ice, I have Michelin X-Ice Snow’s and they work quite a bit better on bare ice. Nordic tires like Nokian, Blizzak, X-Ice , etc come close to studs without the drawbacks. But they will destroy themselves if you leave them on to long when the weather gets stop warm.

 

[EVO X]

I decided not to buy a set of winter tires because I can’t find Blizzak tires.
So I decided not to drive the plaid when it snows and just drive one of my other cars.
Come spring I’m gonna order a set of the correct tires.

 

[Midnightsun]

Blizzak does not make a winter tire in the size required for the plaid.

 

[CWhite]

I decided not to buy a set of winter tires because I can’t find Blizzak tires.
So I decided not to drive the plaid when it snows and just drive one of my other cars.
Come spring I’m gonna order a set of the correct tires.

X-Ice Snow comes in 255/45R19. I went from Blizzak’s to these and I actually like these better. Another great choice is the Nokian Hakka’s R3, they also come in this size. I am hoping you are looking to go to 19’s wheel/tire for winter. I’ve lost several 20-21 wheels to hidden winter potholes. Never had an issue with 19’s and they ride better to boot

 

[EVO X]

I’m sorry for me it’s either Blizzak or keep it parked

 

[patfife911]

Hey guys,

I take delivery of my 2022 MSP next week and I am trying to get a set of winter tires ordered so I can get some use out of the car in the new year. My tire guy is planning on this setup, any cause for concern?

Front setup:
Touren TR75 19x8.5
Pilot Alpin PA4 255/45R19

Rear setup:
Touren TR75 19x9.5
Pilot Alpin PA4 285/40R19

Did this setup work? Any issues?

 

[Midnightsun]

I’m sorry for me it’s either Blizzak or keep it parked

You need to get over those. Had Blizzaks for many years on different cars. The Nokian Hakkapeliitta's
will put them to shame.