Redhill_qik
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$203 implies 101.5 kWh which at a Tesla Super Charger at $0.28 would be $28.42 or with higher home peak rates of $0.50 would be $50.75.Yep. For mine the minimum is $203/yr. But I would rather have the kWh in my cars.
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$203 implies 101.5 kWh which at a Tesla Super Charger at $0.28 would be $28.42 or with higher home peak rates of $0.50 would be $50.75.Yep. For mine the minimum is $203/yr. But I would rather have the kWh in my cars.
Are SCE customers in CA eligible for this latest program or only PG&E ?Do you know if SCE gives rebates or pays those who participate in this? I cannot find anything on their site or Tesla's site specific to SCE.
The only thing I can find is multi-net metering, which is not the same thing.
Good point. Maybe I will sign up and drop out if unhappy.$203 implies 101.5 kWh which at a Tesla Super Charger at $0.28 would be $28.42 or with higher home peak rates of $0.50 would be $50.75.
SCE is different. There is a demand response program that pays $2/kWh, but you have to be in a CCA.Are SCE customers in CA eligible for this latest program or only PG&E ?
i dont see the option at all in my app (i assume it would be under settings > powerwall
oh yea i knew about that one was wondering if they had the vpp thru tesla at all with this latest versionSCE is different. There is a demand response program that pays $2/kWh, but you have to be in a CCA.
The program information says that you can opt out of an event when you receive the notification, so if you are thinking that you want to keep the Powerwall full due to the potential for a power outage then you can.Good point. Maybe I will sign up and drop out if unhappy.
I don't think that is anything more than if you exported, or had exported, with the settings you had, you would see this much money.The part that gives me some unease is how my "typical" usage is being determined. I didn't participate in the beta program last year as there was even less information and those that did simply received a check at the end of the beta period. I hope that there is more transparency this year with at least a monthly statement.
I found some documentation on this here: Customer FAQ - Emergency Load Reduction Program (ELRP)The program information says that you can opt out of an event when you receive the notification, so if you are thinking that you want to keep the Powerwall full due to the potential for a power outage then you can.
The part that gives me some unease is how my "typical" usage is being determined. I didn't participate in the beta program last year as there was even less information and those that did simply received a check at the end of the beta period. I hope that there is more transparency this year with at least a monthly statement.
Other links:Performance payments for directly enrolled customers are calculated at the service agreement level by multiplying the incremental load reduction (ILR) by $2/kWh. The ILR is the load reduction achieved during an ELRP event incremental to the non-event applicable baseline and any other existing commitment.
The ELRP baseline for directly enrolled customers is calculated with the following method:
- Calculate the Energy Baseline (EB) – The EB is calculated on an hourly basis using the average of the preceding similar days, excluding those days when the customer: (1) was subject to an ELRP event, or (2) an event for a dually enrolled demand response program, if applicable, or (3) was subject to a grid outage. For weekday events, the 10 non-excluded weekdays will be selected; for weekend and holiday events, the 4 non-excluded weekend and holiday days will be selected. If the customer elects to count exports in their ILR, the baseline calculation is modified to include net of exports (net of forward and reverse meter channels). Peak Day Pricing event days will not be excluded from the similar days in order to capture incrementality for ILR.
- Calculate the Day-Of Adjustment Value (DOAV) –The DOAV is a ratio of (a) the average load of the first three hours of the four hours prior to the event to (b) the average load of the same hours from the days selected in accordance with Step 2 above. A DOAV shall not be less than 1.00 or greater than 1.40. If either (a) or (b) are negative, the DOAV is 1.0.
- Calculate the Adjusted Energy Baseline (AEB) – When the EB is greater than zero, the AEB is calculated by multiplying the EB by the DOAV. There is no AEB when the EB is less than zero.
Thanks for posting this. So to summarize the "typical" calculation:I found some documentation on this here: Customer FAQ - Emergency Load Reduction Program (ELRP)
In particular, this is the way customers directly enrolled in the ELRP are compensated:
Other links:
The ELRP program: Emergency Load Reduction Program
Summer Reliability: Summer Reliability
This actually seems very similar to what OhmConnect offered a few years ago when I was with them. At the time, negative draw was not supported, but the same 10 previous weekday or 4 previous weekend day baseline was used.
I don't think it's a given that Tesla's compensation will necessarily match this calculation, but I think it's more likely than not that the baseline calculation will be similar to what's listed here.
My suspicion is that the phrase "there is no AEB" means that the unadjusted baseline is used rather than a baseline of 0. That is, there is no Day-Of Adjustment applied to net exporters. The Day-Of Adjustment seems to be a factor that favors the consumer and represents how much more energy is being used on the event day due to environmental factors (e.g. temperature).Interestingly if during the baseline days you were running off of your Powerwalls and exporting your solar this isn't held against you and your entire exports (solar+Powerwall) are eligible for the ELPR credit of $2/kWh. That might seem too good to be true, but since your Powerwalls are splitting their output between powering the house and exporting to the grid maybe it isn't that much of benefit unless you also cut back on your house load and your Powerwalls might get drained to their reserve level before the event concludes and now you need to import.
This was an option up until about a month ago when it was a BETA.Are SCE customers in CA eligible for this latest program or only PG&E ?
i dont see the option at all in my app (i assume it would be under settings > powerwall
I think there is a lot to watch here, especially for us that zero out (or now with EE), are already negative during peak periods, when these events are almost always going to be called.TL;DR big differences may be:
-$2 vs $1.40 per kwh
-zeroing negative baselines
-summertime vs year-round events
-automated vs manual
I don't have a Tesla EV, but I get your point. Just seems like a pretty paltry payout for giving up control of my powerwall stored energy$72 would be 36 kWh and I think that Tesla Super Charging price is around $0.28 or $10.08 even at home with a $0.50/kWh that would only be $18.00.
Well you never actually give up control. The event is scheduled and then you can opt-out of participating if you didn't want to export anything. Getting $2/kWh is a lot more than any compensation you will get from any regular export.I don't have a Tesla EV, but I get your point. Just seems like a pretty paltry payout for giving up control of my powerwall stored energy
I don't see the application pending anymore, it just says "You've enrolled your Powerwall in the Tesla .......".I'm curious how many of you have been approved? My request still shows "pending".
All the best,
BG