Who thinks it's fun climbing out of the sub $200 hole every morning/S
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Who thinks it's fun climbing out of the sub $200 hole every morning/S
OT mongo rant wind down
tl;dr; If there is a basis for the 5.0 Billion besides your post theorizing a 0.5 increase from a 4.5 Billion requirement, I apologize.
It was said at the time that Model S was for early adopters and there to help fund the Model 3 project.You're totally wrong about the car barely improving. Compare my Signature P85 to yesterday's 75D (not even the Raven version, or the recent price cut). The 75D wins in every possible way, performance wise, for just over half the price I paid. It also has lots of functionality that my P85 can't ever have, because no radar, no camera, no electric brakes, slower charge rate, blah blah. You also forget that my 2019 Signature P85 is a much better car now than the SigP85 I got in 2012. It has better navigation, hill hold, faster screen operation, fewer bugs, slightly better performance, guidelines in the reversing camera, remote controls have improved, ... I can't even remember a lot of the small improvements.
I'm not planning to read it, but at least the title seems fair and not clickbait. My wife and I have both tried NoA numerous times and found that it does require quite a bit of driver intervention, primarily to avoid embarrassment regarding the car's decision making. It often makes poor decisions regarding optional lane changes. We find it more relaxing to just use regular AP and make lane changes by flicking the directional stick on occasion when needed.This consumer reports article on autopilot released today unfortunately is quite blatantly biased:
Tesla's Navigate on Autopilot Requires Significant Driver Intervention
While I agree with some of their gripes, the overall tone of the article is definitely biased. Seems like it's the cool thing to be biased against Tesla atm
Looks like the recent funny tweets from Tesla's corporate account weren't Elon's but Adam Koszary's, new "social media manager" at Tesla:
This consumer reports article on autopilot released today unfortunately is quite blatantly biased:
Tesla's Navigate on Autopilot Requires Significant Driver Intervention
While I agree with some of their gripes, the overall tone of the article is definitely biased. Seems like it's the cool thing to be biased against Tesla atm
At least someone is.Thanks BoA for stating the obvious.
Yes, theoretically Elon might secretly owe Vladimir Putin two billion dollars and might have pledged all his remaining shares in Tesla and SpaceX to Vlad.
I have. A few times. And I have not been off-roading. Have you ever seen cars in winter that look white from a coating of road salt/sand? That's what has covered my turn signal and backup cameras. A quick wipe with a finger is all it took but it still requires manual intervention. I've also seen AP not available due to some rain. And I'm not talking about a big downpour. This happens in light rain and road spray from cars on the highway. Now maybe the latter will be solved by hardware 3 processing speed but 2.5 has it's issues.Have you needed to wipe off the cameras? I haven’t. I suppose if I went mud bogging, that may be a different story.
Dude starts in July, so no.
If all you take issue with that it's $4.5B for his collateral and $5B is my speculation, fine because it was and I think I made that very clear in my initial post. But if I have later given impression that $5B was a hard fact, that's my mistake. Still $4.5B as collateral is significant. Even for a guy with the net worth of Elon Musk, I don't think it materially changes anything.
which is now clear was a misstatement. I apologize for not just asking for clarification in line with your initial post.We know he needs to post at least $5B collateral.
I don't think this is biased. Elon claimed that NoA would get you from the on-ramp to the off-ramp with no human intervention.
In my experience, human intervention is typical required.
It was said at the time that Model S was for early adopters and there to help fund the Model 3 project.
I appreciate all the little ways Model S improved but let's be honest: the 2017 model 3 is technically superior to the 2019 Model S, even the incremental improvement now starting to ship as we speak. Model S production plateaud years ago and it is simply not a flagship worthy car for Tesla or other premium brands. In 2013 it was cute and different, now there are 100,000s of them on the road having started out a series production car. How long did it take for the browser to practically work? You know all the other examples that can be offered. To Tesla's standards, Model S is a very hard laggard. As is Model X. And Model 3 doesn't offer any sales results upside to compensate.
I'll be frank: the original S85 is my dream car. Somewhat affordable now, looks amazing especially with chrome delete. Huge frunk which the new S doesn't have. Nice hatch which for some reason the 3 doesn't have. Not the consumption of the silly SP cars. Swap the original 85 motor for a Model 3 motor and it's even better for me. The battery pack is even better than the 90's, much more resilient under repeated DC fast charging and no throttling that I'm aware of.
I know Tesla can and does do better than the S85 nowadays in most respects but the increments have diminished quickly and further apart.
Price development of the S looks favorable in light of incremental improvements but if you consider what could have been with a Model 3 like production process and drivetrain tech, it should be a $45-50K car, not $75K. A longer hood, extra screen and wider body don't add cost to justify a $40K price hike.
I could totally see Elon interviewing the guy and handing him his phone right there and then with a "tweet something funny to see what you got". At least, that's my image of what cool Elon would do.
“We enabled the feature and drove on several highways across Connecticut.”I specifically said that while I agree with some of the gripes, the overall tone of the article is biased. An example from the article:
"Several CR testers observed Navigate on Autopilot initiate a pass on the right on a two-lane divided highway. We checked with a law enforcement official who confirmed this is considered an “improper pass” in Connecticut and could result in a ticket."
They didn't specify that any of the their testers observed that NoA initiates a pass on the right in Connecticut.
How much do those dampers cost extra? Those interior details, what do those cost now really?You're wrong. We have Model 3 and S. The S is a much better car. Even with the old air suspension, it drives MUCH better than a 3. I can't imagine how much better it is going to be with the new suspension. The interior of the S is much nicer as well, among other things.
Both S and XOn the model S delivery forum, somebody just got notification of delivery
On May 25 for the long range model . This is a California delivery.
This is the start, phew!!