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Actually I agree with this post, the cars are great, the leadership is dishonest.
Once Tesla has changed, I will happily buy a Tesla and post all my positive feelings about it.
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Actually I agree with this post, the cars are great, the leadership is dishonest.
August 2017 I cancelled because they would not give me the upgrades that come out shortly after my order(after telling me I would get those upgrades). Model 3 SR was just around the corner supposedly so i waited for that. I began to explore cancelling the Model 3 after a 9 month wait for the SR model was sprung last minute by Tesla in 02/2018. I finally cancelled the M3 on the website about 2 months later. <snip>
Hey! It’s not my credibility that has hit zero, it’s Elon Madoff....
I'm cancelling too, Elon is just a high tech "Madoff"
Elon Madoff is making off with our deposits....
The title of this thread is "Tesla attacks heating up." The OP is about attacks on Tesla in the press, but repeatedly referring to Elon Musk as "Elon Madoff" ....
.... and at the same time claiming on at least three separate occasions to have cancelled a Model 3 reservation -- the two I cited plus another thread you created about cancelling your reservation again that was so obviously false TMC deleted the entire thread -- seems to me to be another version of the sort of attack the OP is talking about.
Tesla faces a lot of opposition from vested interests of various types (oil, legacy auto, short sellers, etc.). Some of that shows up via the press and a ton of it shows up on social media.
Only someone vested in Tesla would do this much research. 2 Model 3’s and 2 Model S’s cancelled.
I’ll post all my reservation confirmations and my emails requesting refunds from Tesla.....EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Can you prove you don’t work for Tesla or have vested interest in Tesla?
Again all you are using is attacking the man fallacy rather than addressing whether the attacks on Tesla/Musk have some merit.
Yes you can scoff at the Madoff comment, but a few weeks ago people laughed at the Trump/Mush parallels, and now that’s commonly covered in the media.
Everyone that paid for self driving, might feel like Tesla is a little like Madoff.
"Elon Madoff is making off with our deposits." Slander on top of slander.
Until Tesla delivers a $35k M3, they have made off with the deposits. Slander? Schmander!
Unless you can justify this remark, you've just lost all credibility...I'll be sure to wave as I pass by you sitting at the SC.
Don't just disagree, @Pentium2004 , please explain why soon the other EV manufacturers will have not only caught up, but managed to pull so far ahead, that you are ing to wave as you pass us by at the supercharger.Unless you can justify this remark, you've just lost all credibility...
Welllll to be honest, they've done some sketchy accounting and been slapped for it.Umm, sure .... Because being six months late on the Model 3 SR, with deposits refundable on request, is just like Madoff's massive Ponzi scheme.
Welllll to be honest, they've done some sketchy accounting and been slapped for it.
As far as the deposits go, they're being used to fund operations... yet they are liabilities.
Once Tesla has changed, I will happily buy a Tesla and post all my positive feelings about it.
"Dishonest" implies a deliberateness that I don't think exists. Hanlon's razor applies. I suspect that Elon genuinely believes that they can do the things that they promise, at the time that they promise them.
And, with the exception of FSD and arguably EA, he's largely delivered (late).
The AI fields that have made even partial self-driving possible lately had turned out to be more difficult to extend to more complex problems. It's not just a Tesla issue; nobody is winning the battle as yet. But, two years ago, it seems like things were closer.
Personally I think Tesla is going to have to give back the cash associated with FSD at some point. But I still attribute the issue to honest errors, and not malice.
2025 maybe, 2030 definitely? #TeslaKillerCemetery hashtag on Twitter
Where are these supposed competitors sourcing their batteries?
ICE vehicles will be sold for a long long time because millions of people are unable to charge in their current living situation which isn't going to change overnight.
There are tens of millions of families who rent or parralel park on the street.There are more power outlets than there are gas stations. There is always a way
There are tens of millions of families who rent or parralel park on the street.
I think once Jaguar, Porsche and VW start rolling out their electric cars Tesla won't stand a chance. The main reason they have done so well is that their customer base is relatively small and they didn't have competition in this area. If the M3's have as many issues as many owners of the MS and MX have had they won't be able to keep up with the repair costs. Tesla has been cut some major slack by it's buyers because they were a new company and pretty exclusive. Once people have a choice other than Tesla I feel they will lose quite a bit of business. Telsa fans can argue this as much as they want but just watch and see.