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Wiki Super Heavy/Starship - General Development Discussion

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Yes. I'm pretty sure that the original way was to put the tiles directly on the pins.
As early as SN4, they were using the white insulation material on small test patches of tiles. I assume they were on pins and not glued to the white which was glued to the ship.


Here's SN20 sporting pins, white insulation and mounted tiles.


At some point, they went to a combination of glue and pin mounting. If you look at Ship 28, you'll see that the fuselage tiles have black between the tiles while the tiles on the tightly-curved parts have white between the tiles. The former are on pins over white insulation, but the latter are glued directly onto the structure. Because they're physically in contact with the ship skin, SpaceX needed the gaps between the tiles filled. That's the white between those tiles. It's apparently the same sort of insulation behind the pin-mounted tiles, but sealed with something. That's the Space Shuttle solution.


I'd compose the image sizes for the post, but the forum software isn't resolving the image links for now. My apologies to future readers who might see humongous images.
 
At some point, they went to a combination of glue and pin mounting. If you look at Ship 28, you'll see that the fuselage tiles have black between the tiles while the tiles on the tightly-curved parts have white between the tiles. The former are on pins over white insulation, but the latter are glued directly onto the structure.
And they are much thicker than the flat tiles with insulation behind them, presumably to compensate for their lack of backing insulation.

It is going to be very interesting to see how the tiles hold up during IFT-3.
 
It is going to be very interesting to see how the tiles hold up during IFT-3.
Yes. Fundamentally, SpaceX needs the tiles to survive the launch and landing every time if they want to treat Starship like an airplane. I would expect they would want them to survive at least a dozen launches and landings before any refurbishment or replacement. Eventually they would need to test them under a high energy entry situation (Mars). I'm sure that once they successfully recover a Starship that was in orbit they will have what they need.
 
The tone of that article and the comments by the FAA folks sound like they and SpaceX have a good working relationship and are working towards common goals... nice to see given the concern regarding approval times, etc...
Looks like potentiallly positive stuf in regards to FAA approval processing.:

 
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At that hearing, Bill Gerstenmaier, SpaceX vice president for build and flight reliability, warned that “the entire regulatory system is at risk of collapse” as other launch companies shift to Part 450 licenses over the next two years.

[Coleman said that Part 450] “was developed pretty quickly, and we are all learning together as we go along. We’ve considered some opportunities, however, to smooth out a few wrinkles and enhance it to better meet its objectives.”

"Collapse" versus " a few wrinkles"
 
Docking test for Orion/HLS connection.


SpaceX and NASA recently completed full-scale qualification testing of the docking adapter that will connect SpaceX’s Starship Human Landing System (HLS) with Orion and later Gateway in lunar orbit during future crewed Artemis missions. Based on the flight-proven Dragon 2 active docking system, the Starship HLS docking system will be able to act as an active or passive system during docking.


It doesn't appear to use the NASA Docking System. That, or the flanges are on the lower section. Here's a GIF from an unrelated test, and it looks like the same test rig that is used for the NASA system.

300px-NDS_docking_tests.gif
 
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Docking test for Orion/HLS connection.


SpaceX and NASA recently completed full-scale qualification testing of the docking adapter that will connect SpaceX’s Starship Human Landing System (HLS) with Orion and later Gateway in lunar orbit during future crewed Artemis missions. Based on the flight-proven Dragon 2 active docking system, the Starship HLS docking system will be able to act as an active or passive system during docking.


It doesn't appear to use the NASA Docking System. That, or the flanges are on the lower section. Here's a GIF from an unrelated test, and it looks like the same test rig that is used for the NASA system.

300px-NDS_docking_tests.gif
It looks like the photo matches the gif after first stage mating. The photo angle shortens the apparent size of the grey ring.
 
Whether you're docking or being docked to.

This paragraph in the article describes it more fully:

This dynamic testing demonstrated that the Starship system could perform a “soft capture” while in the active docking role. When two spacecraft dock, one vehicle assumes an active “chaser” role while the other is in a passive “target” role. To perform a soft capture, the soft capture system (SCS) of the active docking system is extended while the passive system on the other spacecraft remains retracted. Latches and other mechanisms on the active docking system SCS attach to the passive system, allowing the two spacecraft to dock.
 
S29 was moved to the launch site, it’s now next to the suborbital test stand, presumably for testing including a static fire. NSF speculates that it may be the last ship tested at that location, as Massey’s is being prepared for ship static fire capability. But based on the most recent RGV flyover video it looks like Massey’s is months away from having a functional static fire test stand.

 
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S29 was moved to the launch site, it’s now next to the suborbital test stand, presumably for testing including a static fire. NSF speculates that it may be the last ship tested at that location, as Massey’s is being prepared for ship static fire capability. But based on the most recent RGV flyover video it looks like Massey’s is months away from having a functional static fire test stand.

For those not keeping up where is Masseys? Thanks
 
Now we know what the payload for S28 is.

S29.

For those not keeping up where is Masseys? Thanks

Taken from Wikipedia, you can see the launch site at top right, the build site in the middle, and the Massey test site at the bottom left. It used to be Massey's Gun Range, thus the name. Massey sold the property and moved his gun range closer to Brownsville.

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Ninja'd. Curse you, @mongo.
 
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Wait, what?

Are you using "S" to refer to "ship" for both?
Yes. It was a joke. The lack of a smiley face reflects my normally dry sense of humor.

Speaking of payloads, it occurs to me that they could take up a 100 ton tank of liquid Nitrogen in the cargo area. Vent that once you've reached apogee, then reenter at the appropriate mass after deploying a payload.

If you're going to reenter with your payload simulator intact, take up a 100 ton tank of seawater. Though it better be filtered for organics if it's taking water from the Gulf and dumping it into the Pacific.
 
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