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Depends on exactly what you do think it means :) but my guess is AP2 will be out by before New Year. Until then you can always play Yakety Sax on Spotify ... but keep hands on ;)

I think that Elon thinks that first batch of FSD could be uploaded by Easter Holiday. Note the question mark in the tweet, so it is not a commitment, but a possibility in his opinion.

I think that this means that there is a good chance that by the time Model 3 ships in volume, the first iteration of FSD software will be complete.

At that time it would be interesting to see a video of Tesla vehicle navigating a route in FSD mode in Pittsburgh, side-by-side with a roof-top Taj Mahal adorned Uber vehicle doing the same.
 
"But Musk said eliminating ZEV credits, if it should ever happen, would actually improve Tesla's competitive position in the market."

If ZEVs or fed/state credits decline... that hits Tesla hard... it does virtually nothing to the larger manufacturers... this is such a misleading statement... and now with Solar City... would Hillary's Presidency been good for SCTY or TSLA?... she openly announced initiatives for "solar on millions of homes in the US"... so how exactly is a Trump Presidency "good" for Tesla?

nothing is ever bad for Tesla... all you have to do is phrase the bad stuff right.
 
I have been trying Mitch:D. But only convinced one entity to take my low bid for a J19 150. I have had bids in every day with minimal luck. Bid/ask spread still shaking out a bit.;)

As a longtime LEAPer - my experience -takes about 30 days on those Nov new issues to 'settle' into more normal bid/ask -

At the end of the video posted this week as the MX is parking itself, you can see a man on the left side of the road ahead of the car that seems to be orchestrating the pedestrian traffic around the car - though doing so in a way that should be obviously difficult for the car to deal with, like the person who walks directly in the path just as it initiates the parking manoeuvre.
Depending on your role in that orchestra, those movie Extras probably getting various amounts of hazard pay-
 
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I don´t get the connection with Benny Hill - music by him??
This all happened a long time ago, in a different millennium and in an almost forgotten medium called tv, but I think that the British comedian B.H. used this format of high-speed film with Yakety Sax as soundtrack as he went about the country leering at young women in bikinis. At least, I think that's the title of the music. Doubt he wrote it.

Edited: Spleinng. I blam keybored.
 
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We also dont know how Tesla accounted profit from sale of 20 Mio Nevada tax credits, i wasnt even aware of it back then.

You are aware that $9 million of that was in 2015, and $10.8 million was in Q2, 2016, right? None of that was Q3, 2016.

Tesla Sells $20 Million Worth of Tax Credits to Las Vegas Casino

My biggest error was underestimating the impact from ca. 1300 fully loaded PX90D being delivered in Europe. It is one off, now its below 10% of total deliveries, these cars had 40ish% GM.

Wow... you think Model X's delivered in Q3 had 40% GM? Wow. That's really, really out there. Very bullish if true. By my calculations, the average gross margin on a Model X in Q2 was around 11%. One of the biggest drags on overall gross margin, not to mention the production line disruption. That's why I thought it was hilarious that various Tesla bears were fawning of the "low" margins on Model S 60's... which I estimate at near 15-16% at the base, and likely average more like 17-18%. In Q3, clearly the Model X achieved much better gross margins. But 40%? That would be phenomenal. The Model S P90D+L in Q2 were definitely up there in the 40% or so gross margin. That why they can take so much off a demo P90D+L and still achieve "normal" 21-25% gross margin.

In fact, given that SCTY takeover was being planned since early 2016, i think Q2 delivery miss and massive loss was engineered to produce big Q3, chunks of Q3 costs were moved to Q2 and Q4. Not even Tesla bears had logical explaination for Q2 delivery miss. Imo they just moved some deliveries to Q3 to produce profit, hoping for replay of Q2 2013. This obviously sounds as stupid to a Tesla bull as some of the posts on this forum sound to myself, but thats the beauty of it.

The overhang from Q3 is roughly the same as in Q2... so you think Tesla is engineering a Q4?
 
You're gambling, man. Only play with money you can afford to lose. I know it has been mentioned to you before, but it's important enough to mention again. If your livelihood starts to become impacted by "investing", it's not investing anymore. Sorry to get all preachy, but there's no reason to be in that position.
I'll go a little further on this. This isn't investment advice, but it is life advice. My livelihood is impacted by investing because I've done well enough that I can live off my investments. However, in order to do this, it is *absolutely critical* that I always be able to ride out any short-term stock price movements, and by short-term I mean two or three years. If I've invested in a particular stock for a 2019 time horizon, I must be able to completely ignore that investment until 2019 and live without the money which is invested in it. It's important to *never be forced to sell* by the need for cash for your life, including emergencies. So I keep a large wad of uninvested cash. You should never ever be in the situation where you will need to sell when you don't want to in order to raise cash. Never. I tell people not even to start investing until they have an emergency fund.

Annoyed, frustrated, pessimistic, yeah. But you're talking to someone who has 150% of his lifes savings in this stock at the average buy price of 217, so yeah.
See, man, that's gambling, and *borrowing* in order to gamble. You have a problem. 95% of your life savings would be highly aggressive investing. What you're doing is gambling. What if you have a medical emergency and need money immediately? Do you have enough of a line of credit that you could still hang on to your Tesla stock until 2019? And can you really afford the interest charges which you're paying on your margin loan? In your position, Tesla could do great and you could be wiped out by a margin call before it does.
 
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Edit: To add some color to my position, consider the profound influence on stock price that capping behavior has. We've twice now had Cramer of all people saying "Tesla is about to go higher" as it approached an important technical number, but the capping techniques always kept TSLA below the number needed to set off the rally.
To integrate your position with that of Fallenone, I should point out that not all the High-Frequency Traders are simply making money off bid-ask spreads. Some of the program traders are actually programmed to go short or long by large amounts and they are programmed to do this off of *technical indicators*. I wouldn't be surprised if the "capping behavior" which Papafox sees is not done by humans but by bots.
 
It's Nov 19th, 2016... there should already be a backlog of 100+ MWh orders if this product line was really going to ramp in '17...
There probably is. Utilities, industrial operations, and big commercial sites are not required to announce their private contracts to purchase batteries. Tesla is not required to announce those contracts either. I suspect there is a substantial backlog of Powerpack orders, and we've only heard about a couple of them where they decided to make press releases.

I would expect that a number of them are tentative contracts. On a big construction project it can take a startlingly long time to go from a pretty-firm order to a final contract; it's taking me six months just on a small residential project.
 
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Look at the original companies that composed the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

There is General Electric.

Then 3 became insignificant subsidiaries/divisions of much larger conglomerates.

And the rest failed and are out of business.
Not accurate. Only 1 completely failed (US Leather), though you would have lost a lot of money on National Lead and on Tennesssee Coal Iron and RR.

The rest survived and ended up as subsidiaries of other companies, or were broken up into subsidiaries which became part of other companies:
See The First 12 Dow Components: Where Are They Now? for details.
 
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"But Musk said eliminating ZEV credits, if it should ever happen, would actually improve Tesla's competitive position in the market."

If ZEVs or fed/state credits decline... that hits Tesla hard... it does virtually nothing to the larger manufacturers... this is such a misleading statement... and now with Solar City... would Hillary's Presidency been good for SCTY or TSLA?... she openly announced initiatives for "solar on millions of homes in the US"... so how exactly is a Trump Presidency "good" for Tesla?

It is not good for Tesla. It is, however, worse for other American automakers. It makes it much harder for them to put in the necessary investments. If the CARB ZEV credits were removed, then the Chevy Bolt would be dead as a US product. As would be the Nissan Leaf and the BMW i3. The only remaining volume BEVs on the market with any sort of sales in the US would be Tesla's.

As it stands right now, GM has a $2,500 pricing advantage with the Bolt due to way the ZEV credit program is set up. They can monetize the ZEV credits at $5,000 each. Tesla can only sell their ZEV credits at $2,500-$3,000 on occasion. That's built into the Chevy Bolt development. Without this, Tesla's significant advantage in EV component pricing will hold sway.

Since it is unlikely that ZEV credits are removed before the Model 3 launch, the best of all worlds for Tesla (but not for electrification in general) is that the electrification incentives are removed or reduced after Tesla achieved mass volume with the Model 3. The federal tax incentives start to sunset in 2018 for Tesla anyways... and basically, it pulls up the ladder on the ship if these things phase out in 2018 and 2019. Tesla would then have the production cost structure much more like a major automaker while also enjoying the best cost structure for the EV specific components. It also puts pause into the massive infrastructure spend required by other automakers to get going on major electrification movements. Now, China and Europe will still have significant incentives, so Volvo, VW Group, Renault, Nissan, etc. will still look to those markets and build EVs, but European automakers will probably scale back also as compared to a more friendly US market.

We would then not see the various EVs promised by automakers in the 2018-2021 timeframe in the U.S. We would likely see smaller EVs, like the Renault Zoe and the BMW mini EV soldier on in Europe. And China will still be the EV bonanza, but with lower level tech like LiFePO4.

This would obviously be detrimental to the overall electrification effort. As it stands right now, the leading candidate for EPA chief is Kathleen Hartnett White:
Former Texas Regulator White Said To Be Considered For EPA Chief | InsideEPA.com
Kathleen Hartnett-White

That's not good for the U.S. or the planet.

Here's an article she wrote on CO2 and climate change:
Kathleen Hartnett White - Clearing the Air on Climate Change

Edit: PS, if this does come to pass, and then climate change does get proven out to be true as predicted and the U.S. as well as the world moves towards ZEV in transport, it would more likely make FCA, Ford, and GM live out the Kodak story. As it stands right now, they have the capability but not yet the actual resolve to avoid it.
 
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This would obviously be detrimental to the overall electrification effort. As it stands right now, the leading candidate for EPA chief is Kathleen Hartnett White:
Former Texas Regulator White Said To Be Considered For EPA Chief | InsideEPA.com
Kathleen Hartnett-White

That's not good for the U.S. or the planet.
Ann Goresuch revisited. Yuck. Well, she'd get sued for violating the court order in Massachusetts v. EPA within about two weeks of being appointed, so there's that.
 
I am going to say something somewhat contraversial. I think Wall Street is convinced of an equity raise and that is what is keeping the stock stuck in the mud. Most on here are long term holders. We will be holding if the stock hits $100.00. So I am recommending that in this era of ULTRA NEGATIVITY, that Elon proceeds to raise equity IMMEDIATELY at $175 to $180 per share. Let the haters have one last hurrah. I am convinced that once an equity raise is out of the way, the sky is the limit. Do it Elon. I know you lurk around here. I just sent him a tweet recommending same at this apex of negativity.

I think Elon has figured out how to finance everything without another equity raise. I currently think he's going to do it and startle everyone.

Options for raising capital, already being used, include:
-- internally generated capital, i.e. operating cash flow. As long as a lot of cars are sold for cash, or leased through partners rather than directly by Tesla, and as long as a lot of solar panels are sold for cash, or leased through partners rather than directly by Tesla/SolarCity, it becomes possible to reliably generate cash from operations. As they expand, SG&A and R&D costs go up slower than volume of sales goes up. Tesla will probably be slightly in the black on this for every quarter until Model 3 starts generating lots of cash.
-- monetizing old SolarCity leases where the primary income stream is still held by SolarCity
-- monetizing Nevada transferrable tax credits
-- monetizing ZEV credits
-- borrowing against inventory in transit
-- mortgaging the huge buildings Tesla owns

Finally, Tesla can always take out straight-up loans, either by issuing bonds or by other means. Tesla has done relatively little of this, though SolarCity has done more. I don't know what interest rates Tesla would get, but they'd certainly be better than the rates SolarCity was getting.
 
Shortanalytics.com shows that yesterday 47% of TSLA trading was done by shorts and today 57% was done by shorts.
Wow. Perhaps my hope for a return of the securities-lending-fully-paid income stream is not so farfetched.

The good news is the shorts can't continue growing their positions at this rate.
So here's a different hypothesis. Suppose the shorts have a hell of a lot of ammunition and are crazy enough to keep piling in. But suppose also that many of them were staying out in the period shortly before the merger, for some reason. (Maybe they're algobots and they're simply programmed to avoid stocks with upcoming mergers.) So short activity declined and then resumed with a vengeance once the meeting vote was over. In this case we might see shorts piling in over the next weeks and we might start getting income from lending our shares out again. I personally would like that. :)
 
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Based on my experience, it's very likely SCTY will be converted to TSLA over the weekend. They like to do it over weekends when ALL the markets are closed.
...but it could be next weekend or the weekend after, since I'm not hearing any news this weekend. There may be some arcane condition of the merger which hasn't been met yet (regulatory approval from some obscure source or something).
 
Volkswagen CEO says sees case for building own battery factory: paper

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Annoyed, frustrated, pessimistic, yeah. But you're talking to someone who has 150% of his lifes savings in this stock at the average buy price of 217, so yeah.

FWIW, building on what @neroden said about cash.

In my Technical Analysis reading, one author (Bulkowski) sub-categorizes for himself, "cash" as an industry. This helps him identify when it would be advantageous to put cash in "cash" instead of another industry stock for short term trading. He always keeps it as an "industry" for diversification classification.

If you're primarily trading, I think it is a useful way of thinking of cash. Rather than something to be spent to get maximum "value" as most other folks will always have you think (who want your cash). Cash is a key part of your diversification mix.

IMHO, you always keep 1 year emergency fund (very conservative according to others). The rest you can keep and move around into other endeavors as part of your diversification strategy (or walking around money, however you want to see it).

Good luck.
 
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