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Yeah, people go on and on about casualty rates. But Putin sees it as a feature, not a bug.

CNN reporters visiting the front found Ukrainians running out of artillery shells for their older equipment and desperately holding on against superior artillery and much stronger surges.

Those who keep claiming Russia is out of ammo, out of warm bodies, out of missiles and out of options need to STFU for a while.
From what I’ve learned in reading posts here and on Twitter from those with reasonable backgrounds that support their views, Putin is counting on the West folding. If that doesn’t happen, how does this play out for Russia? I hope and pray the West keeps up and accelerates the volume and type of weapons. Whether Putin sees it as a feature or a bug doesn’t matter if we stay the course and replenish and increase weapons. It also sends the right message to Xi, Iran, and others. As did shooting down the “weather balloons,” and other objects across North America..

It is a terrible cost of lives and destruction for wanton vanity.
 
No need for a tome of a reply @wdolson but Trent has no idea if the DoD , the cia, UK intelligence or others have any idea re Russian logistics at the grand level. I know two things about the recent logistics situation- last spring the Russian intelligence services really goofed and left the army strung out on the way to Kiev and the army needed a few weeks to sort that out but they did.... they got most men and equipment out though much was abandoned (200 Bradley’s at that moment would have destroyed the entire column) and second that the army pulled off a brilliant retreat in Kherson moving out across hostile territory and crossing a large river getting most equipment out.

It's pretty clear to me that the western intelligence services really have missed many logistical problems with the Russian army.

The Ukrainians haven't had the resources to completely encircle and close off Russian forces. When the Ukrainians have come close to cutting off the Russians, they have managed to slip away.

The Russian losses in the retreat from Kyiv were high. Most of the units pulled out of the north were pretty much broken. In Kherson they kept up the pretense of mounting a strong defense while they extracted their forces. Kherson was a fairly well execute retreat, but the Ukrainians were not able to put any troops in Russia's rear.

I mean it is obvious the army has issues, they seem to lack the capability to conduct war against a modern opponent. Just at this moment it is clear Russia is preparing a massive attack and pressing across the entire front. It is not complete

Russia has a lot of infantry now. One thing they lacked early in the war, but they are now lacking most of the better equipment and trained crews for that equipment they had at the beginning of the war. Artillery fire is way down from when they had some success in the Donbas.

When they were succeeding at the attritional war, they were pummeling the Ukrainians with some of the heaviest artillery barrages in history followed by their forces. If the Russians had enough artillery now, they would be repeating that pattern.

The Russians don't have what it takes to do the job. Ukraine is stronger than it was last spring when they were getting pummeled and Russia is weaker. Poorly armed infantry in massive waves with no support are gaining a little ground here and there, but at a steep price. One that is not sustainable.

Politically the army needs to take ground, but everywhere they try to advance is well defended. So they are throwing people into a meat grinder. Playing defense with the force they have would be smarter, but it doesn't look like they are going to.

He could also last another 20+ years.

He could, but he is on the back nine of his life. His brand has been the strong, healthy leader (to contrast with Yeltsin). He can still look strong, though he isn't doing any shirtless photo ops these days. Even if he does live another 20 years, there will be a point where he's clearly showing his years.
 

"Democrats, Republicans join up to urge Biden to send F-16s to Ukraine

[...]

By CONNOR O’BRIEN
02/17/2023 07:52 AM EST

A bipartisan group of lawmakers is pressing President Joe Biden directly to send F-16 warplanes to Ukraine as the fight against Russia’s invasion enters its second year.

Five House members argued modern jets — which Kyiv has sought, but the administration has so far not agreed to — 'could prove decisive for control of Ukrainian airspace this year' in a Thursday letter to Biden obtained by POLITICO.

'The provision of such aircraft is necessary to help Ukraine protect its airspace, particularly in light of renewed Russian offensives [..."

 
Putin is counting on the West folding. If that doesn’t happen, how does this play out for Russia? I hope and pray the West keeps up and accelerates the volume and type of weapons.

Indeed that's why he's lobbing high-priced, limited-supply missiles at civilian infrastructure (thereby disarming himself). It's the vain belief that attacking civilian morale is equivalent to attacking military targets. Too bad Putie didn't live through the London Blitz, then he'd know better. Fools and their missiles are soon parted.

Instead, what is happening is that the slow, lumbering war machine which is the West's industrial might is windng up to do what they do best: crank out the tonnage. Instead of getting worn-old tanks, General Dynamics Land Systems (formerly Chrysler Defense) will build brand spanking-new export M1A2s for Ukraine (no DU armor). This will take a year. That's about the amount of breathing room that exists for Putiny before *sugar* gets real in the East.

General Dynamics / Lockheed-Martin have confirmed to the White House that yes, they are able to restart the F-16 Falcon production if required. Improved, of course. A few old Su-27s and Mig-29s will be no match, it'll be a rolling turkey shoot as Russia bleeds out.

On Jan 24, 2023, the Army's top acquisition official says production of 155-millimeter artillery shells will rise 6x to 90,000 a month in two years. You sure you wanna surf that beyotch, Vlad?

Putie will get taken out by one of his insiders, in the Soviet tradition, by a headless man.
 
Relative lull over

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Indeed that's why he's lobbing high-priced, limited-supply missiles at civilian infrastructure (thereby disarming himself). It's the vain belief that attacking civilian morale is equivalent to attacking military targets. Too bad Putie didn't live through the London Blitz, then he'd know better. Fools and their missiles are soon parted.

Instead, what is happening is that the slow, lumbering war machine which is the West's industrial might is windng up to do what they do best: crank out the tonnage. Instead of getting worn-old tanks, General Dynamics Land Systems (formerly Chrysler Defense) will build brand spanking-new export M1A2s for Ukraine (no DU armor). This will take a year. That's about the amount of breathing room that exists for Putiny before *sugar* gets real in the East.

General Dynamics / Lockheed-Martin have confirmed to the White House that yes, they are able to restart the F-16 Falcon production if required. Improved, of course. A few old Su-27s and Mig-29s will be no match, it'll be a rolling turkey shoot as Russia bleeds out.

On Jan 24, 2023, the Army's top acquisition official says production of 155-millimeter artillery shells will rise 6x to 90,000 a month in two years. You sure you wanna surf that beyotch, Vlad?

Putie will get taken out by one of his insiders, in the Soviet tradition, by a headless man.
Timing and delivery is of course key.

The other advantage of the West waking up and producing more is that it may stop China from making a move on Taiwan too.
 
"The United Kingdom will be the first country to provide Ukraine with longer-range weapons, [the British PM] says."

But when?...

 

"U.S. officials believe China may be providing Russia non-lethal military assistance in Ukraine war

Feb. 18, 2023, 8:02 PM CET
By Courtney Kube

[...] The officials declined to provide specifics about the non-lethal military assistance, but said it could include gear for the spring offensive like uniforms or even body armor. [...]

U.S. officials, including President Biden and National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, have warned China not to supply Russia with military assistance or there would be consequences. [..."

 
"The United Kingdom will be the first country to provide Ukraine with longer-range weapons, [the British PM] says."

But when?...

@petit_bateau what long range weapons?
 
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Indeed that's why he's lobbing high-priced, limited-supply missiles at civilian infrastructure (thereby disarming himself). It's the vain belief that attacking civilian morale is equivalent to attacking military targets. Too bad Putie didn't live through the London Blitz, then he'd know better. Fools and their missiles are soon parted.

Instead, what is happening is that the slow, lumbering war machine which is the West's industrial might is windng up to do what they do best: crank out the tonnage. Instead of getting worn-old tanks, General Dynamics Land Systems (formerly Chrysler Defense) will build brand spanking-new export M1A2s for Ukraine (no DU armor). This will take a year. That's about the amount of breathing room that exists for Putiny before *sugar* gets real in the East.

General Dynamics / Lockheed-Martin have confirmed to the White House that yes, they are able to restart the F-16 Falcon production if required. Improved, of course. A few old Su-27s and Mig-29s will be no match, it'll be a rolling turkey shoot as Russia bleeds out.

On Jan 24, 2023, the Army's top acquisition official says production of 155-millimeter artillery shells will rise 6x to 90,000 a month in two years. You sure you wanna surf that beyotch, Vlad?

Putie will get taken out by one of his insiders, in the Soviet tradition, by a headless man.

The time frame for the Abrams and the ramp up in artillery ammunition production won't help Ukraine much this year. If Ukraine can get enough off the shelf or quickly produced weaponry this year, the war will likely end of be in the end phases by the time the Abrams and extra ammunition become available.

The US should keep up 155mm production for a while anyway, it needs to replenish its own stocks of ammunition.

A bit higher production from all the western countries will help deter China too.

@nativewolf asserted the other day that the western intelligence agencies know better than people like Trent Telenko. Phillips O'Brien had an article yesterday on how western analysts were blinded about Russia by looking at the wrong factors. They looked at the amount of equipment each power has and the military exercises they carry out and conclude which army is the strongest. They never looked at the other factors like levels of training or logistical capability. The people who were looking at that sort of thing like Mark Hertling, Ben Hodges, and Phillips O'Brien called the war from the start.

I looked at the forces Russia had poised on the border of Ukraine and concluded they didn't have enough to take and hold the country. I initially thought they might have enough to take the country, but a couple of days into the war it became clear Ukraine was not going to fold and Russia didn't have the ability to be able to force them into submission. I hoped for a short war, but when Russia didn't run away when they started taking heavy losses, the long war was on.

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The intelligence community is only as good as its inputs and everybody has filters. Any organization tends to end up filtering based on what the boss wants to see. Anyone who tries to point out something the boss doesn't want to see is usually hammered down. It takes an unusually mature boss to admit they are looking at the wrong thing and change course. In the 1990s Richard Clark saw al Qaeda as a rising threat and was screaming in the wilderness for months. He finally got Bill Clinton's ear and convinced him. Then US intelligence shifted to watching al Qaeda. But they only got a couple of years before the GW Bush administration came in and went back to the old playbook.

Every intelligence agency at the start of this war was looking at how much equipment the Russians had and how they conduct exercises all the time. What they failed to see is that the only purpose of Russian exercises is for media photo ops. It was all a front on an army that was rotted out. In the west when they conduct exercises, it's to actually evaluate the readiness of the forces and improve. They didn't look behind the curtain and assumed Russia was doing the same thing.

I saw a thing early in the war that was done before the war comparing the T-90 to the Abrams that concluded the T-90 was better than the Abrams. 12 months of war has demonstrated the T-90 is only marginally better than a T-72 if it has all the equipment. The new T-90s being built don't have any of the advanced equipment and are basically T-72s with a little bling added. Western intelligence actually believed the T-90 was on par with the Abrams before the war.

Western intelligence services have much better resources at their disposal than the OSINT world, but if they aren't looking at the right factors, their conclusions are going to be poor. They made a lot of bad assumptions before the war, and while they have adjusted some, they are still making some bad assumptions.

One I have seen over and over again is the assumption that Ukrainian losses are equal to Russian losses. That can't be true if you understand the conditions. A force on defense has built in advantages and tend to take fewer losses if the two forces are evenly matched. An attacking force needs to move to achieve it's objectives which exposes it to fire. A defensive force just needs to sit still and throw what they have at the attacker. Being in a position of protection to begin with and harder to find, they will take fewer losses.

The Ukrainians also have much better battlefield tactics than the Russians. The Russians have demonstrated over and over again that they are extremely poor at combined arms warfare. They expose their vehicles and troops to dangers no army with good combined arms discipline would ever do. That gets a lot of people hurt and killed. The Ukrainians are good at combined arms tactics and their losses in equipment demonstrate this. Their losses in personnel is almost certainly lower too.

Another factor these assessments don't take into account is the primitive nature of Russian field medicine vs the advanced nature on the Ukrainian side. There is evidence that the Ukrainian's lost to wounded ratio is much closer to the US in recent wars than anything else because they are very good at stabilizing wounded in the field and getting them help immediately. The Russians on the other hand have not improved their field medicine since the 1940s when they were behind the western allies in quality of care. The percentage of Russians who die of their wounds is much higher than on the Ukrainian side. In the cold weather right now with level of poor care the Russians are getting, a superficial wound can turn deadly. There is also a lot of evidence the Russians are having a lot of frostbite cases and the Ukrainians very few.

The Ukrainians have taken losses. Probably somewhat higher than they admit, but the number of dead on the Ukrainian side is probably a small fraction of the dead on the Russian side. The total casualty count on the Ukrainian side is almost certainly lower too, though there the totals are probably closer (because more Ukrainians survive being wounded).
 
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Western intelligence services have much better resources at their disposal than the OSINT world, but if they aren't looking at the right factors, their conclusions are going to be poor. They made a lot of bad assumptions before the war, and while they have adjusted some, they are still making some bad assumptions.
So what do you think are the chances that the Russians have let their nuclear capabilities degrade as well? Possibly totally non-functional? Suitable only to threaten with?
 
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